The Thread for Comparing Alt-Righters to Nazi, Among Other Things (TTCARNAOT)

Easy

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The Alt Right is a left wing political movement. I’ve heard Alt Righters argue extensively for things otherwise exclusive to the left such as socialism, abortion, legalized weed, and perhaps most famously, trap porn. The only thing right wing about the alt right is their endorsement of white nationalism, but even that is rooted in liberalism. The reason they support white nationalism is because liberal policies can’t work for a society unless everyone in that society agrees to them; you can’t really have a bunch of people from other cultures coming in with opposing beliefs.

“Homosexuality is the last implicit stand of white identity.” – Richard Spencer
I've never heard a single accurate opinion on the alt-right.
"Were you at the Unite the Right rally?"
"No, I don't go to gay pride parades."
Well hey, guy just un-ironically described them as nationalistic socialists - quite possibly without even intending the particular implication - didn't he? Screw you, Godwin, it's totally fair game this time!

Okay. So to start things off, I'm gonna go ahead and set the bar low for this thread by throwing out my basic, unsourced, unsubstantiated understanding of what "alt-right" means. Because I'm a lazy piece of shit, and an optimistic showoff, and also at work, typing on my phone for funsies.

"Describes a varied collective of groups that have the common qualities of supporting generally right-wing platforms, and anti-establishment viewpoints."

There. Did I get it, Lumpy? Was I the First One Ever to just straight-up get it right first try? Totally not checking Wikipedia to see if I was, btw.

Also: bit of an aside here, (just a bit), but as much as I'm being mildly silly about this whole thing, in the application, right now, I still gotta take extra time to specially call out how silly this is:
The only thing right wing about the alt right is their endorsement of white nationalism, but even that is rooted in liberalism. The reason they support white nationalism is because liberal policies can’t work for a society unless everyone in that society agrees to them; you can’t really have a bunch of people from other cultures coming in with opposing beliefs.
Well, that's just silly. Of course they can; often, even have. Who told you that, and why did you believe them?
 

Dunsparce

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You're definition of the Alt Right is pretty solid I guess, in fact, I'd say that's a pretty good description for myself. However, the Alt Right I was a part of stopped being alternative when Trump got the nomination. What I consider the Alt Right to be now is pretty much what I described it as in the hot takes thread. I use Richard Spencer as a base line for the Alt Right. If you don't agree that he represents the bulk of people who call themselves Alt Right, then we're just gonna be talking over each other.

Well, that's just silly. Of course they can; often, even have. Who told you that, and why did you believe them?
You don't agree that's what the majority of Alt Righters believe, or do you think I meant that's what I believe? To be fair, it's pretty logical, it just lacks a lot of nuance. If you have a democracy, and you add a bunch of people who don't believe in democracy, you'll stop having a democracy. The nuance to that equation is that individual people can, ya know, change their minds. The Alt Right also seems to believe that the only two options are absolute open borders or an isolationist ethno state.

To be fair, I obviously listen to people I agree with more often than the people I don't, so it's possible that I'm mislead about him, but I know for a fact that Dickie Spencer has said he supports the establishment of an ethno state. He also believes that race is the primary determinate of human behavior. He doesn't really think that people from other cultures can change their values. The bulk of people won't change their cultural values, that's true, but some will. My stepmother was born in the Soviet Union, and she loves this country. Should she not be allowed here?
 

Lumpy

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Your description seems accurate enough, Easy. I'd say it's more that they incidentally support right-wing platforms though, and that, otherwise, they are not specifically right-wing. Which means, as a group, they are obviously going to lean more center or left than your average Conservative. But they definitely aren't a left-wing movement either. Dunsparce's arguments for saying so implies that it's some kind of alt-right tenet to smoke weed and watch trap porn, rather than just a massive correlation.

And then of course there is the other description which is just "ethnic nationalist". If someone refers to themselves as alt-right, they probably mean this. I disagree that they are represented all that much by Richard Spencer since they can't even decide whether or not he's a CIA plant. Even still, the policies he's advocated aren't particularly left-wing. Abortion for the purposes of eugenics, not on the principle of bodily autonomy. Legalizing weed is as much a right-wing, free market position as a left-wing, free choice one, and not something the alt-right or Spencer seem to give any particular shit about since neither position conflicts with their ideology. As for trap porn, I have no clue what you are talking about. The only thing you actually have to believe in to be a part of the Alt-Rightis an ethnic hegemony.

If I remember right, the term was originally coined by a Jewish-American Conservative to describe, like, Goldwater Republicans or some shit. It just meant alternative right, and was basically characterized as being anti-neocon. It's just that it got wombo-comboed by Nazis that wanted to use it as a way to make themselves seem more legitimate, and leftists that wanted to delegitimize all right-leaning groups by comparing them to Nazis.

My stepmother was born in the Soviet Union, and she loves this country. Should she not be allowed here?
No. She has to go back.
 

Easy

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You're definition of the Alt Right is pretty solid I guess, in fact, I'd say that's a pretty good description for myself. However, the Alt Right I was a part of stopped being alternative when Trump got the nomination. What I consider the Alt Right to be now is pretty much what I described it as in the hot takes thread. I use Richard Spencer as a base line for the Alt Right. If you don't agree that he represents the bulk of people who call themselves Alt Right, then we're just gonna be talking over each other.
Eh, Idunno about that. Trump's still non-representative of pretty large sections of Republicans across the board, and even in his own administration.
You don't agree that's what the majority of Alt Righters believe, or do you think I meant that's what I believe?
I don't agree with the notion that "liberal policies" (or 'conservative' ones, for that matter) "can’t work for a society unless everyone in that society agrees to them." That's just foolishness. Sure, you could point to a bunch of countries where, for example, their socialized healthcare system is both much more popular and much more accessible/efficient than America's, but you'd be screwing up the order of events. Same, and more so, with gun control, or wage equity into standard of living. Things that turned out to actually work, became popular. Not the other way around.
Your description seems accurate enough, Easy.
Score.
 
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