Ended 2018 Mayoral Campaign Forumafia (Coolpool Elected Mayor. Everybody Wins.)

[Colonel Thunder]

From what I can tell, it's incredibly obvious his playstyle is very off-putting and not traditionally what we're used to seeing. The man has been bamboozling us with lengthy posts of fluffy nonsense.

I've made a serious effort to reduce unnecessary noise in posts compared to my norm. Sadly, that is a change in my usual playstyle. Not sure what you mean in that last sentence though.

Since you seem to have reckless abaddon for your current role, roleclaim for us. What name and power are you? We might as well start putting the pieces together.

I'm Jeroth, a variant Cop. I didn't want to reveal this until later since I'm probably the only surviving Town with a night action. But, worst case scenario I get lynched/nightkilled and everything I have to say is validated. And when I crunch the numbers, this game might come down to lylo if that happens, but even then Town will still win.

Dunsparce is confirmed innocent.
Andy is very, very likely innocent.

I believe I know who both mafia are, and I am willing to bet my role reveal and subsequent death on it.

That being said, I'd prefer people post about what they think about the revealed information. I believe that doing so will confirm my suspicions. I'm fine being the lynch today if my death needs to prove my innocence. However, do not lynch me until after I've posted my conclusion.

I have shared all relevant information regarding my findings through my role's mechanics.

 

[Tirin]

I've gotta say, I'm not a huge fan of TC requiring people to trade info before actually disclosing anything, but I suppose it may have worked in our favor in this case. Not including Riyant as a role would be dense as fuck in this game; if nobody comes forward to counter-claim, we can assume he's probably not lying about his role. I think it's also fair to suggest that that role would be pro-town.

That said, I'm not sure whether or not TC's claim is legitimate, seeing as he's only brought it forth under extreme pressure and after a game wherein his play has generally seemed weird. I'm even less certain of it given that this is the second or third time I feel like I've seen a connection come up between him and Dunsparce this game (namely my accusing both of being hypocritical, which Dunsparce tried to turn against me) - and if he's scum, both of his "results" can still be true (or, for that matter, one true and the other not, the hallmark of some extremely dirty and also smart play). For what it's worth, I think that he's telling the truth about Andy; Dunsparce, I'm obviously less in agreement on. All in all, we should give him the chance to explain, if nothing else - because while I don't trust his powers of deduction, it at least gives us something to go on if we lynch him and he does flip Cop.

Personally, my biggest suspects right now (assuming TC is telling the truth) are Anatron, Bob, and Riyant. Walrus is theoretically viable as a scum role (though I'd imagine myself, TC, W1LG3R, or previously Dunsparce as better candidates, pun not intended) - but Bob and Anatron have both very specifically put off making a decision on who to lynch and asked more of Thunderclaw while otherwise staying inactive all day and not offering much. Although nobody's been active for real this phase, I'd pin it down on those two being the least so - and bringing the least to the table, as well.

 

[Anatronman]

I don't have as much to contribute as those with power roles, but I will say that the objectives of the Fuck Dunsparce party have been fulfilled ahead of schedule and I only have one chance to be any more helpful to the Town beyond that.

In absence of a counter claim, I choose to "believe" TC despite his unconventional Day I for an info role (lynching a hunch takes away the Cop's main claim to credibility). As such, my greatest suspicions are Bob, Andy, Jeroth, and Tirin.

 

[Jeroth]

I will post later when I get done work. For now,

Unlynch TC

 

[Dunsparce]

If we lynch a townie today and the mafia doesn't get roleblocked tonight, it'll be lynch or lose tomorrow. I'm not willing to lynch someone I'm not pretty confident is scum. The best we've got on TC is that he's playing differently than usual. I'd be lying if I said it didn't bother me at all after rereading what he's said, but his roleclaim and confirmation on me are enough to make me go easy on him for now. What I really want to know about is this:

I believe I know who both mafia are, and I am willing to bet my role reveal and subsequent death on it.

That being said, I'd prefer people post about what they think about the revealed information. I believe that doing so will confirm my suspicions. I'm fine being the lynch today if my death needs to prove my innocence. However, do not lynch me until after I've posted my conclusion.

Alright, so you think that you can prove who the mafia is by not telling us who the mafia is? That's some serious Koan shit right there. What's next, are you gonna ask us what the sound of one hand clapping is?

I guess you don't really need me to tell you what I think about the revealed info, since I'm kinda the subject of the revealed info. My opinions haven't changed. I still think Tirin's the best bet, although I have to agree with his assessment of Anatron and Bob, though Bob can be forgiven since he's a newbie. I'm still pretty confident in Jeroth's towniness on the basis that he didn't lynch Easy. I've got fuck all on Andy.

 

[The Hound]

Anyone else find it strange that TC's claim of innocence after being by far the most suspicious person day 1 is to to say he knows Dunsparce, someone who was also super suspicious is definitely good. Especially since at that point the two of them were most likely next in line for lynching. Seems very possible to me that this is a last ditch effort to avoid that. While I'm not super familiar with all this trading of role stuff so maybe someone else can get a better read but doesn't all this scream like desperation? Furthermore nothing in TC's role explains the absolute desire and intensity he showed to lynch Easy.

I'm not saying he's lying but something seems super fishy. I'd love to hear his views on who he thinks is scum but based on his day 1 read I'll definitely be taking them with a grain of salt.

I'm currently in the mindset that I'm most suspicious of Anatron, Dunsparce, Andy or Tirin. I also don't buy Dunsparce's assertion that Jeroth is a townie just because he didn't lynch Easy, mostly because a lack of action when there were already enough votes doesn't really mean much. I just don't have anything on Jeroth to convince me of anything.

 

[Jeroth]

'm Jeroth, a variant Cop

I have shared all relevant information regarding my findings through my role's mechanics.

Variant Cop? Might I ask what the variant is? for all I know, you could be a paranoid cop.

Dunsparce is confirmed innocent.
Andy is very, very likely innocent.

I'm skeptical on the latter, but I do believe Dunsparce is innocent. I've also probably pinned his role down by name and flavor, due to the hints.

As far as Anatron goes, I've figured out the name of his role, but I'm not certain as to what side he's on.

I believe I know who both mafia are, and I am willing to bet my role reveal and subsequent death on it.

Alright, so you think that you can prove who the mafia is by not telling us who the mafia is?

While I think it's a possibility, it's risky. Let's work with the player list on this hypothetical scenario.

Remaining Players:
Dunsparce - Confirmed via TC; Supported by Jeroth's observations. Did not lynch Easy
TC - Confirmed via TC; No Counter-claim
Jeroth - Confirmed via being myself; No Counter-claim to my role. Did not lynch Easy
Andy - Very Very Likely according to TC; No Role Claim. No one seems to have a critical view on him. Hammered Easy. Mostly been sewing questions and skepticism.
Tirin - Suspects me. Opted to lynch Easy above TC.
Anatron - Lurking and claims that he succeeded his win condition as the "Fuck Dunsparce" Party.
Bob - New Player; Mostly been observing and opposed to TC's roleclaim.

I want to hear this conclusion, but it seems the majority of us are leaning more towards Bob and Anatron.

 

[Colonel Thunder]

@The Hound You have the TC role, right? I'm pretty certain you do. If not, please let us know what the forumer name of your role is.

In the meantime I'll start typing a longer accusation of why The Hound is scum.

 

[Colonel Thunder]

But first, some responses.

I've gotta say, I'm not a huge fan of TC requiring people to trade info before actually disclosing anything

Alright, so you think that you can prove who the mafia is by not telling us who the mafia is? That's some serious Koan shit right there. What's next, are you gonna ask us what the sound of one hand clapping is?

Very fair! But I think I'll get different information from someone if I ask them a question after I name them as my prime suspect.

That said, I'm not sure whether or not TC's claim is legitimate, seeing as he's only brought it forth under extreme pressure and after a game wherein his play has generally seemed weird.

The doctor's dead, I'm the cop, and my only 100% confirmed innocent isn't very popular. Not a great environment for me to announce that I'm a cop at the beginning of the second day unless asked to. And, I've no defense for the different playstyle. I intend on sticking with it for all future games though, so I hope you like it.

...this is the second or third time I feel like I've seen a connection come up between him and Dunsparce this game (namely my accusing both of being hypocritical, which Dunsparce tried to turn against me) ... For what it's worth, I think that he's telling the truth about Andy; Dunsparce, I'm obviously less in agreement on.

Dunsparce is unfortunate. I was really hoping he'd come up as scum last night so I wouldn't have to defend his post wildly misinterpreting why people voted for Easy on Day 1. (See my Day 1 post stating I didn't have a good read on him.) I cannot fault your condemnation and suspicion of Dunsparce.

Variant Cop? Might I ask what the variant is?

I have a few charisma-inspired abilities, but they can only be used once. I've already used the most powerful one, reading a player's alignment a la a traditional cop. I'd prefer not to name the other abilities, just in case the mafia gets roleblocked or leaves me alive.

As far as Anatron goes, I've figured out the name of his role, but I'm not certain as to what side he's on.

Excellent! This will come in handy in case the Hound or Anatron ever lie about their role name.

 

[Colonel Thunder]

For starters, here's all of the Hound's posts and a few others regarding him. Will edit this post with further content after stream tomorrow, but a quick scan by itself should start to put together some inconsistencies.

Just for last mafia.

Lynch TC

Someone that I do think is scummy is Bob. He's a newbie, so he doesn't know exactly what he's doing, and he brought TC closer to a hammer. Admittedly I did the same fucking thing, but whatever.

I'll go ahead and Lynch Bob to see how he defends himself.

Is Dunsparce the worst mafia player? Because that's now two games that his strategy has been to go after the new player. No logic, no reasoning, just let's go after the new guy. Seems like a pretty weak tactic if you asked me.

I'll stick with my choice because nobody else is jumping up at me other than my desire to punish TC.

Let's see I lynched TC because he was a scumlord who accidentally messed up and lynched me last game, I was lynching him regardless of whether you did so or not.

From what I can tell the biggest thing that messes with your theory is that you assume I have enough competence with this game to have a thought out plan and not just randomly lynching someone who has 2 votes because hey maybe we could get someone lynched and LuL let's lynch that jerk TC. Especially since there was literally no evidence to lynch anyone at that point.

As I said when new information arises I could be see myself being persuaded into lynching someone else, but for now for the injustice of last Mafia game I'll stick with my TC vote.

Right now, the person I am most suspicious of is easy. Him only having two posts, I would like to hear more from him before I decide to put my vote down. The first thing that I want to know from him is why his post was so short after realizing the game was a thing. The second thing I want to know is why he thinks TC is going so hard on him suddenly.

I have other suspicions. TC has definitely created a divide between him and easy, so that would definitely be another one. Lastly, there is Bob. Not because he has said anything that has been suspicious, actually the opposite. If he is as new to this game as he is, how was his defense so clean? Any mafia would put effort like that into a defense, but not every new town would.

So from my perspective as a newbie I can't really tell if Easy is acting strangely or not, or if his delay and subsequent lack of interest in posting is justified. I tend to feel like I want to give him the benefit of the doubt on that, though from my history with Easy I know he is a cunning motherfucker so I guess his moves absolutely could be intentional. As for TC he's being agro as fuck, super certain that Easy's behavior is suspicious which absolutely makes TC extra suspicious as well. Lastly there's Dunsparce who claims to have all these plans, theories and blah blah blah, Dunsparce showed very similar behavior last Mafia where he was a special role, so it makes me absolutely suspicious of his behavior. Everyone else is either fairly neutral, or at the very least acting like they normally do.

So here's what I'm going to do out of the 3 people that have stood out, who's the most dangerous if they were Mafia? That answer is either Easy or Dunsparce. I have little faith that TC can hold up to the scrutiny he's facing for long if he's truly a scumlord. I feel like the behavior of all three seems pretty equally suspicious so I'm going to go with who I think is the most dangerous. Sooo.... Unlynch TC

Lynch Easy

The Hound lynched Easy because he could be mafia, and if he were, that would be worse than if anybody else was mafia. Kinda dumb, since if he were town it would be equally good to keep him alive.

I have to agree with Jeroth beyond his off-putting playstyle TC is also the person who led the charge on Easy claiming that Easy's behavior was abnormal, while all the while acting incredibly strange and hella aggressive. I personally think TC needs to answer for why he was so damn sure it was Easy acting bizarrely. Feels incredibly likely that TC was pushing attention off himself and we fell for it.

Anyone else find it strange that TC's claim of innocence after being by far the most suspicious person day 1 is to to say he knows Dunsparce, someone who was also super suspicious is definitely good. Especially since at that point the two of them were most likely next in line for lynching. Seems very possible to me that this is a last ditch effort to avoid that. While I'm not super familiar with all this trading of role stuff so maybe someone else can get a better read but doesn't all this scream like desperation? Furthermore nothing in TC's role explains the absolute desire and intensity he showed to lynch Easy.

I'm not saying he's lying but something seems super fishy. I'd love to hear his views on who he thinks is scum but based on his day 1 read I'll definitely be taking them with a grain of salt.

I'm currently in the mindset that I'm most suspicious of Anatron, Dunsparce, Andy or Tirin. I also don't buy Dunsparce's assertion that Jeroth is a townie just because he didn't lynch Easy, mostly because a lack of action when there were already enough votes doesn't really mean much. I just don't have anything on Jeroth to convince me of anything.

 

[Anatronman]

I wrote up a claim post last night but fell asleep before I sent it. The long and short of it is that I'm Zircom, I believe TC a little more because I also have a one use ability (less believable on my part because I accidentally waited a day to reveal it), and I'm town-sided. At this point, Bob is the only active player who hasn't put out any information on his role, which is probably why he's seeing so much pressure right now.

I stand by my previous suspicions.

 

[AndyM03]

I'm Shadow btw and I am pretty confident in believing TC, so much so I kind of wish we couldn't role claim. I'm not really sure what Bob could say to change my mind at this point. When's our due date again?

Lynch the Hound

I also can't shake the feeling Jeroth is scum.

 

[Colonel Thunder]

Uh...okay. I think it's less fun if everybody roleclaims, but w/e.

The point I'm getting around to is that the Hound is clearly scumbuddies with Jeroth. I'll, uh, post more after my stream I guess since @The Hound isn't saying anything.

 

[Jeroth]

The point I'm getting around to is that the Hound is clearly scumbuddies with Jeroth.

I was on board with you until this. I still believe that you're the cop, albeit, terribly misguided. I'll answer more when I finish D&D tonight.

 

[Dunsparce]

The point I'm getting around to is that the Hound is clearly scumbuddies with Jeroth.

That... isn't clear at all. Unless you've got something on him you haven't revealed yet, I have no idea why you think Jeroth is scum. The Hound, however, is someone I've thought was scum the whole game. I've got no problem lynching him.

Unlynch Tirin
Lynch Bob

 

[Jeroth]

Back from D&D and posting while you stream Nier Automata.

So let me tackle this:

Currently, you're a cop with an innocent mark on Dunsparce.

The doctor's dead, I'm the cop, and my only 100% confirmed innocent isn't very popular. Not a great environment for me to announce that I'm a cop at the beginning of the second day unless asked to. And, I've no defense for the different playstyle. I intend on sticking with it for all future games though, so I hope you like it.

You're right about some of this. Dunsparce isn't very popular and I've actively been defending him. I believe I was the first person to do so. I've been pushing Tirin off of him, because I know Dunsparce his town and I've figured out his role.

I want to know why is Dunsparce not confirmed and Andy is just "very very likely." How? Is it by role name? I've been suspicious of Andy this entire game since he's mostly just been observing, commenting and agreeing without contributing much. He was also guilty of hammering Easy.

Bob and Andy both agreed with me when I brought the spotlight to you this day, but they never committed to a lynch. To me, that shows the sign of someone who wants to contribute without committing.

Overall, I would much rather lynch Bob. If Bob turns out innocent, then my belief is that it's a clever ruse with a scum pairing of Dunsparce and TC.

Also for the sake of elucidating people on roles, because if this snowballs and I end up dying; I want my thoughts out there.

Dunsparce - Tirin: My educated guess on Dunsparce is that he's Tirin. Earlier on he mentioned his double lynch vote; the ability of the "Mayor" role in mafia. The lynch votes were never counted by total value.
TC - Jeroth; no counter claim. Alleged Cop.
Bob - ?? ; Suspected to be TC
Anatron - Zircom; Town-aligned who "fulfilled win condition and can only help town for another day."
Jeroth - Walrus; no counter claim. Townie. Confirmed by himself.
Andy - Shadow; no counter claim
Tirin - ?? ; No role claim at all.

We have had no counter claims to the alleged roles that were claimed. If I recall, Shadow was the main meme propaganda for Cutiepool.

 

[The Hound]

Sorry dudes, been busy. Ok let's see what's going on... Oh shit ok. Let's break this down.

TC I'm not sure why after all your ridiculous behavior day 1 anybody is buying this shit, you've been so erratic why should we believe that you're not TC? Just because you said so? You said Easy was scum and oh look you were wrong as usual. To me right now based on everything I've seen I'm most inclined to lynch TC, he's the one who's leading you all around like blind sheep all on his word, no evidence, just his word because he claims to be the cop.

So do you have any actual evidence against me TC? I'm guessing no, but I'm damn sure based on your desire to lynch people based on nothing that you're not a pro-town role and that you're full of it.

Lynch TC

By the way TC you want me to role claim, fucking fine I'm Rondait I'm a Tracker. I would be more useful if I wasn't so damn new at this game.

 

[Jeroth]

Lynch Bob.

There was already a tracker role through Dunsparce. You're obviously lying.

 

[Colonel Thunder]

Stealthy, can we get an official lynch count?

Long story short I think Jeroth was sus because The Hound was fully following his lead, and Jeroth is the only person that The Hound hasn't stated his suspicion of.

That, and Ro would make an excellent kill for Jeroth since Ro was one of two people that stated suspicion of him on Day 1, though not the lead Jeroth-investigator. That role belongs to Anatron, and both him and I thought that Jeroth's Day 1 posts were a little odd. Also, since Jeroth and Anatron went back and forth a fair bit Day 1, I believe that one of them flipping scum almost guarantees the other as town since there's no incentive to start a fight with a scumpanion like that on Day 1.

Lastly, it would have been a bad move for Jeroth to lie about his role when I asked. If he's TC, he'd have to lie, and we could call him out on it. But if he was the other scum he wouldn't have to lie, so long as the name wasn't an obviously anti-town role.

I thought that TC and Walrus would make the most compelling scum duo, especially since Stealthy has historically been the biggest criticizer of Walrus as a political figure. I also can't help but notice that Walrus wasn't listed as a potential scum role in Jeroth's Day 1 post suggesting which characters might be scum.

So, Jeroth claiming Walrus made me more sus.

Also, I don't think the scum would have both members on a 5-man lynch that went over pretty overwhelmingly. So I've been sus of Jeroth since Dunsparce is town and Ro died.

...where my Bob and Jeroth are scum theory falls short is in how town-oriented Jeroth has acted today. He's advocated saving Dunsparce and pointed towards other sus players, and fairly quickly started disparaging Bob. I think that there is a good chance Jeroth is just cutting loose the dead weight that is his scumbud, but I am not certain.

I think I'd prefer to see a Bob lynch than a Jeroth lynch for today, but I'm curious what others think.

 

[Colonel Thunder]

Oh right, there's questions to answer. Ugh. I'll answer them tomorrow. In the meantime, @The Hound if you're a tracker, would you mind telling us what you found out last night?