I'd much rather have inactives modkilled than lynched. They got a time limit or some such?
Ended The Great War - Mafia 1917 [SCUM WIN]
The only problem is it would be an inactive genocide at this point, and this is the wrong war for that. We've got 4 or 5 people who have brought the game to a halt, and i'm not saying the game would or would not end with them mod killed, but rather we may as well pause the game for a day or two to see if it'll be a temporary hiatus or not. Though i'll agree it's already been awhile.
@Dunsparce I hope you're keen to play because at this rate i'll be begging you to tag in for someone.
passive aggressive pinging is a GO
@Firedemon
@Chickenspleen
@Anatronman (I know you're busy with the reviews lad soz)
@Maretocks (Come on bby I love ya)
@Zircom
Chicken never answered my question.
Zircom and Maretocks haven’t set off any alarms for me, unless the lurking is intentional.
FD already got called out for lurking, this is not a good look.
Zircom and Maretocks haven’t set off any alarms for me, unless the lurking is intentional.
FD already got called out for lurking, this is not a good look.
Oh yeah, sorry about going inactive all of a sudden. I did get some clarification from Andy and it looks like my role is actually closer to Doctor than it is to Bodyguard. Yes, I'm aware that that's pretty much suicidal to say, but I'm sure what I've already said has drawn the mafia's attention, and it's a bit too late to take that back. And Anatron, what question of yours did I never answer?
You sort of gave both answers. Did you get any confirmation as to whether your protection is only successful if you protect your target from an ability?
Apparently an action will be successful as long as you're not blocked, which means I actually can't be sure my action actually did anything last night. Which leaves me with a lot less information than I thought I had.
Still, nobody died last night, which means either the mafia was roleblocked or someone was protected. If I'm the only one with a Doctor-type role at this point, there's still a good chance that I saved Tirin.
Still, nobody died last night, which means either the mafia was roleblocked or someone was protected. If I'm the only one with a Doctor-type role at this point, there's still a good chance that I saved Tirin.
Well, I don't see anybody claiming a roleblocker even though they'd have reason to think you might be bullshitting, so... Unlynch Chickenspleen and Lynch Tag Ross. I still don't like all his talk about the sea, it's too fitting for Germany's naval role in World War 1.
Lookin forward to the memecap, TC.
Yeah, but why would Germany be giving himself away for no damn reason like that? What he's done would make sense if he was Japan, (even the part where he implicitly denied being Japan), and it makes sense if he's some heretofore-unmentioned Commonwealth ally that's dependent on the English, but it makes little sense if he's a German ally that doesn't need to make a bunch of semi-subtle hints to begin with. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that Tag's learned absolutely nothing from LoL Mafia II.
Tag's story is more believable than Chickenspleen's, and Chickenspleen's story is believable enough to make him a rather risky lynch under the "dumb, not scum" school of thinking. Therefore, my inclination here is to Lynch Jeroth.
Tag's story is more believable than Chickenspleen's, and Chickenspleen's story is believable enough to make him a rather risky lynch under the "dumb, not scum" school of thinking. Therefore, my inclination here is to Lynch Jeroth.
I'll post later tonight, but Easy largely stole my thunder. Tag has no incentive I can think of for doing the weird stuff he's been doing, if he scum.
Easy, I assume your preference for a Jeroth lynch is based off of him being just active enough for us not to suspect him of intentional inactivity, while at the same time not really contributing anything?
Lynching a more active player will put more pressure on the inactives in the Days to come.
Lynch Jeroth
Lynch Jeroth
Gotta say, not entirely confident on Tag, but... it does make sense.
Pretty solid point here, actually.
Uh... no. That logic really doesn't follow at all, especially when we could decide to put more pressure on the inactive players right now instead by lynching one of them. Lynching an active player, if anything, says "Yeah, you guys can get away with this shit", and it really shouldn't be acceptable whether they're town or scum. For that alone, I'd (almost) be more willing to lynch Zircom, FD, or Maretocks right now. However, Easy's right in that wanting power roles to play like Null did, which is completely and utterly awfully, is one of the worst things to ask townies to do. Unlynch Chickenspleen and Lynch Riyant.
Sorry guys, Friday-Monday I had to go out to the middle of nowhere for some family stuff (long story short, my uncle's kids found out he has cancer after he hadn't been telling anyone). I thought I'd have enough internet access to post a little from my phone, but I was wrong. Tuesday I kinda crashed because I got back pretty late.
So yeah, posts incoming.
So yeah, posts incoming.
My condolences, FD. That really sucks.
I didn't know your uncle played mafia.
I didn't know your uncle played mafia.
Hell, alright. I haven't been paying attention at all so it'll take me a while to get caught up, but if you really need me to play, I'll do it.
I can't believe how seriously you guys took that, it was 100% a joke. Because I didn't think Tag would actually be trying to subtle claim with flavor text.
I kind of think Tag shouldn't have confirmed he was signaling with this flavor text, but I have some idea of who he might be now that I know this. I'll keep it to myself though.
Assuming of course he isn't just part of the Central Powers trying to subtle fake claim. I don't really trust or distrust this claim, but if it's a true claim I feel somewhat confident I know what he's claiming. At the end of the day though, Tag hasn't claimed anything beyond flavor. Which is almost as meaningless in my mind as claiming townie.
Also, agree that Chicken calling Tag suspicious here is... No.
I don't like Chicken's "Tirin is town" claim, putting that out here now. Especially since Chicken is now claiming doctor. I REALLY don't like that. Claiming to have information, then backing off of it with an "oh, I'm just a doctor" is highly suspicious in my mind, especially since I'm still holding my suspicious views on Chickenspleen's day 1 bandwagoning. Might talk about this more in this post later.
So, I'm fine with Chickenspleen's moves yesterday as far as allegedly "siding with Easy to save [his] own ass" goes. Because from the perspective of a Townie, saving your own ass is important because you know you aren't mafia. Even if he was just siding with Easy to save his own ass, I wouldn't hold that specifically against him. I would hold extreme bandwagoning, like Null, against him. Even though, yes, Null was town.
Also, much more importantly in my opinion, do note that he's still claiming some degree of investigative power here.
All of this is accurate. So Chicken has given a really meaningless claim of investigator, but not actually given any useful information at all.
This thing here about Jeroth telling people to play like Null... Note he does actually say there's nothing wrong about what Anatron said (which was basically, don't do what Null did). So I wouldn't agree with Easy that Jeroth is telling people to play like Null, but I do want to know why this doesn't sit right with Jeroth. Anatron basically said what we're all thinking, "if you're about to die and have some important role, please claim so we can maybe make the right decision", and Jeroth agreed with him, but this statement bothers him?
Chickenspleen is now claiming a special kind of doctor? It's consistent, but why is Chickenspleen dropping information as if he's an investigator of some kind, then claiming to be something else entirely? Consistency =/= truth here.
In my experience, this is not typically how things like doctoring or role blocking works. Typically success is not dependent on actually accomplishing anything, it just means nothing stopped you from carrying out the action. If you got redirected you typically would still be told the action was "successful" as well, as success is typically a function of carrying out the action, not carrying out the action on the target in a meaningful way. I'm starting to want to let Chicken off the hook here for apparently just not understanding how his role works, but I also feel like that's a really good excuse to be changing your claim. Multiple times.
No. There's no reason for a pro-town player to come forward, thus claiming and exposing themselves, to clear Tirin. Because without a Tirin claim, his alignment isn't really a thing worth someone outing themselves over, and with a Tirin claim we'd probably tentatively put him in the "not scum" territory anyways.
Um... When?
Zircom and Maretocks are people I'd like to hear from though.
Chicken has now claimed a third thing. And yes, there is nothing about his story that is inconsistent with itself. Everything he has said is plausible. But that doesn't make it true or not suspicious. And honestly, if we pretend for a second that Chickenspleen were really a cop and investigated Tirin... Why would he out himself just to confirm Tirin? Maybe if Tirin were about to die, claimed something important, and still about to get lynched that would be worth doing. But just at the beginning of the day dropping that information and implicitly claiming an investigator? That's suicidal and not even for a good reason. Of course, a mafia fake claiming investigator has zero fear of being nightkilled when no one died last night, suggesting no vigilante/SK. Especially if they can avoid pinning down what exact type of investigator they are. Then this switching around to doctor after everyone started questioning that move? I don't like it one bit. Lynch Chickenspleen
Good memories. Good memories.
I agree that dumb, not scum is real possibility here. But I think it would require an extraordinary level of dumb.
I don't agree with that logic at all. Lynching inactives would put pressure on them, not lynching actives. And you're telling me that's your only reason for being on the Jeroth lynch? Lynching Maretocks or Zircom, who have been pretty inactive, would not only prevent the game from dying but also not do the mafia's job for them. No mafia playing to win is ever going to kill an inactive, because they're dead weight to the town that makes it harder to get a majority for lynching and aren't going to actively scum hunt. Because lurking is anti-town behavior. Of course, Andy is now considering replacing at least one of them with Dunsparce, so I'm not advocating an inactive purging lynch. I also don't think targetting inactives over actives you find legitimately suspicious is a very wise move. So if you have a real reason to lynch Jeroth, you should definitely do that over lynching an inactive in my opinion.
I actually agree with this more than Easy's reason. Jeroth probably is my #2 lynch right now. #1 if you can convince me Chicken really is a case of dumb, not scum. But I'm just not feeling that. Though, based on my fellow inactives, if we need my vote to actually get the lynch through I'll do it. Obviously lynching my #2 is better than no lynching.
By the way, reminder of context for this post.
My big problem here is not that Jeroth is telling people to play like Null, because he actually isn't. My problem here is that Anatron said what we all concluded from Day 1 and Jeroth feels that somehow rubbed him the wrong way, while stating that he agrees with Anatron, followed by, yeah, Jeroth being just active enough to not be inactive but not actually particularly helpful. Definitely need to hear from @Jeroth on the issues Easy, TC, and I are raising.