I'd much rather have inactives modkilled than lynched. They got a time limit or some such?
The only problem is it would be an inactive genocide at this point, and this is the wrong war for that. We've got 4 or 5 people who have brought the game to a halt, and i'm not saying the game would or would not end with them mod killed, but rather we may as well pause the game for a day or two to see if it'll be a temporary hiatus or not. Though i'll agree it's already been awhile.I'd much rather have inactives modkilled than lynched. They got a time limit or some such?
You sort of gave both answers. Did you get any confirmation as to whether your protection is only successful if you protect your target from an ability?It sounds like you successfully protected Tirin and you have no confirmation of whether he was targeted.
He's telling the (hypothetical) Doctor to claim only if the dude's about to get lynched anyway. Nobody was more committed to lynching Null, regardless of what potential future excuses he came up with, than I was - but even I'd have seriously reconsidered the idea if he'd outright claimed Cop and nobody counter claimed him. We may very well not have lost Null's role, which turned out to be even more important than a standard issue Cop, if he'd done what Anatron's telling the Doc to do if he ends up in the same situation.
So no, man. I don't FoS that shit. FoS Riyant instead, for apparently wanting more power roles to play like the late Null Hypothesis did (RIP).
Gotta say, not entirely confident on Tag, but... it does make sense.Tag's story is more believable than Chickenspleen's, and Chickenspleen's story is believable enough to make him a rather risky lynch under the "dumb, not scum" school of thinking. Therefore, my inclination here is to Lynch Jeroth.
Pretty solid point here, actually.Easy, I assume your preference for a Jeroth lynch is based off of him being just active enough for us not to suspect him of intentional inactivity, while at the same time not really contributing anything?
Uh... no. That logic really doesn't follow at all, especially when we could decide to put more pressure on the inactive players right now instead by lynching one of them. Lynching an active player, if anything, says "Yeah, you guys can get away with this shit", and it really shouldn't be acceptable whether they're town or scum. For that alone, I'd (almost) be more willing to lynch Zircom, FD, or Maretocks right now. However, Easy's right in that wanting power roles to play like Null did, which is completely and utterly awfully, is one of the worst things to ask townies to do. Unlynch Chickenspleen and Lynch Riyant.Lynching a more active player will put more pressure on the inactives in the Days to come.
Lynch Jeroth
Hell, alright. I haven't been paying attention at all so it'll take me a while to get caught up, but if you really need me to play, I'll do it.@Dunsparce I hope you're keen to play because at this rate i'll be begging you to tag in for someone.
I can't believe how seriously you guys took that, it was 100% a joke. Because I didn't think Tag would actually be trying to subtle claim with flavor text.As FD publicly pointed out (for better or worse), there is no way in hell that this post by Tag is not a subtle claim:
I kind of think Tag shouldn't have confirmed he was signaling with this flavor text, but I have some idea of who he might be now that I know this. I'll keep it to myself though.And for the fuck's sake, Null was the UK, I was trying to get the UK's attention so he could say something that wasn't fucking obvious, instead FD pointed out my ship talk saying I'm soft claiming UK, you guys ate that shit up. Null died, proving I wasn't UK and wasting all my work trying to convince UK to say something "subtle" so we wouldn't have to waste our night abilities.
Also, agree that Chicken calling Tag suspicious here is... No.Oh look at that the guy who was being pretty scummy day 1 is accusing the guy who pointed that out of being suspicious and claiming the other guy who is going after said "suspect" is "confirmed anti scum" and we just lost a cop, so you're gonna need a pretty good explanation for that.
So, I'm fine with Chickenspleen's moves yesterday as far as allegedly "siding with Easy to save [his] own ass" goes. Because from the perspective of a Townie, saving your own ass is important because you know you aren't mafia. Even if he was just siding with Easy to save his own ass, I wouldn't hold that specifically against him. I would hold extreme bandwagoning, like Null, against him. Even though, yes, Null was town.I'd like to refute the idea that I was deliberately siding with Easy to save my own ass. I had no real information about anyone's roles at that point and he seemed among the least suspicious to me. I'll admit that my opinion was partially swayed by the fact that while I was about half an hour into my overly long and overly useless analysis post I discovered that Easy had already made a "masterpost" that said things I was planning on saying and made my job just a bit easier. Because of that, I can see why it would look like I was being overly congratulatory toward him.
That was yesterday, when I only had my own gut to tell me what side everybody was on. Today I've actually got information to work with. I know Tirin was targeted last night, so I'm pretty sure he's not mafia.
Or he could be scum who got roleblocked, hence the lack of night kills. That doesn't help clear Tirin at all.
Tag's right, that doesn't hold at all. I could've been roleblocked, bussed(?), doctored, or... anything, really. Without knowing who targeted me and/or their role, there's nothing to go on. Shit, for all you know I targeted myself (I didn't).
All of this is accurate. So Chicken has given a really meaningless claim of investigator, but not actually given any useful information at all.Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fact that Tirin was targeted doesn't mean anything without further information. If whoever targeted Tirin wanted to come clean that would possibly be helpful information, but it's pretty early in the Day to start handing out free role info to scum.
This thing here about Jeroth telling people to play like Null... Note he does actually say there's nothing wrong about what Anatron said (which was basically, don't do what Null did). So I wouldn't agree with Easy that Jeroth is telling people to play like Null, but I do want to know why this doesn't sit right with Jeroth. Anatron basically said what we're all thinking, "if you're about to die and have some important role, please claim so we can maybe make the right decision", and Jeroth agreed with him, but this statement bothers him?This just rubbed me the wrong way. There's no deaths in the first night and Anatron is coaxing the doctor to claim if he's being lynched. There's nothing inherently wrong about the statement; I would rather have our potential doctor alive and outed than dead by our hands. It just doesn't sit right with me at all.
Chickenspleen is now claiming a special kind of doctor? It's consistent, but why is Chickenspleen dropping information as if he's an investigator of some kind, then claiming to be something else entirely? Consistency =/= truth here.This is probably pushing it in terms of the roleclaiming rules, but I'm not a cop, or a doctor, or a roleblocker, or a watcher. It doesn't fit precisely, but I would say that my role is closest to bodyguard. Last night I protected Tirin since he didn't read as scummy to me and he seems useful for figuring things out. In the morning I learned in quick succession that my action had been successful and that no one had died that night. My immediate assumption was that the mafia had attempted to kill Tirin and I had prevented that from happening. Thinking about it now, I don't really have a lot of information to go with other than that Tirin was targeted and that targeting failed. This could technically mean that he was a mafia member whose action I protected from being blocked, but I find it less likely since nobody died last night.
In my experience, this is not typically how things like doctoring or role blocking works. Typically success is not dependent on actually accomplishing anything, it just means nothing stopped you from carrying out the action. If you got redirected you typically would still be told the action was "successful" as well, as success is typically a function of carrying out the action, not carrying out the action on the target in a meaningful way. I'm starting to want to let Chicken off the hook here for apparently just not understanding how his role works, but I also feel like that's a really good excuse to be changing your claim. Multiple times.It does read a lot like a Doctor, but what threw me off is that(and I might really be pushing the rules here) the role doesn't specify that I'm protecting someone from being killed. You're correct in that I didn't have specific confirmation whether Tirin was targeted, but I feel like him being targeted would be a prerequisite for my action to be successful.
No. There's no reason for a pro-town player to come forward, thus claiming and exposing themselves, to clear Tirin. Because without a Tirin claim, his alignment isn't really a thing worth someone outing themselves over, and with a Tirin claim we'd probably tentatively put him in the "not scum" territory anyways.If no one comes clean on targeting Tirin, then that means it was scum that targeted him, right? In which case Chicken's story is likely true, and we can put Tirin and Chicken at the top of our "likely to be town" list. Otherwise, Chickenis hella sus.
Haven't thought it over much, but does that make sense?
Um... When?FD already got called out for lurking, this is not a good look.
Chicken has now claimed a third thing. And yes, there is nothing about his story that is inconsistent with itself. Everything he has said is plausible. But that doesn't make it true or not suspicious. And honestly, if we pretend for a second that Chickenspleen were really a cop and investigated Tirin... Why would he out himself just to confirm Tirin? Maybe if Tirin were about to die, claimed something important, and still about to get lynched that would be worth doing. But just at the beginning of the day dropping that information and implicitly claiming an investigator? That's suicidal and not even for a good reason. Of course, a mafia fake claiming investigator has zero fear of being nightkilled when no one died last night, suggesting no vigilante/SK. Especially if they can avoid pinning down what exact type of investigator they are. Then this switching around to doctor after everyone started questioning that move? I don't like it one bit. Lynch ChickenspleenOh yeah, sorry about going inactive all of a sudden. I did get some clarification from Andy and it looks like my role is actually closer to Doctor than it is to Bodyguard. Yes, I'm aware that that's pretty much suicidal to say, but I'm sure what I've already said has drawn the mafia's attention, and it's a bit too late to take that back. And Anatron, what question of yours did I never answer?
Good memories. Good memories.Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that Tag's learned absolutely nothing from LoL Mafia II.
I agree that dumb, not scum is real possibility here. But I think it would require an extraordinary level of dumb.Tag's story is more believable than Chickenspleen's, and Chickenspleen's story is believable enough to make him a rather risky lynch under the "dumb, not scum" school of thinking.
I don't agree with that logic at all. Lynching inactives would put pressure on them, not lynching actives. And you're telling me that's your only reason for being on the Jeroth lynch? Lynching Maretocks or Zircom, who have been pretty inactive, would not only prevent the game from dying but also not do the mafia's job for them. No mafia playing to win is ever going to kill an inactive, because they're dead weight to the town that makes it harder to get a majority for lynching and aren't going to actively scum hunt. Because lurking is anti-town behavior. Of course, Andy is now considering replacing at least one of them with Dunsparce, so I'm not advocating an inactive purging lynch. I also don't think targetting inactives over actives you find legitimately suspicious is a very wise move. So if you have a real reason to lynch Jeroth, you should definitely do that over lynching an inactive in my opinion.Lynching a more active player will put more pressure on the inactives in the Days to come.
Lynch Jeroth
I actually agree with this more than Easy's reason. Jeroth probably is my #2 lynch right now. #1 if you can convince me Chicken really is a case of dumb, not scum. But I'm just not feeling that. Though, based on my fellow inactives, if we need my vote to actually get the lynch through I'll do it. Obviously lynching my #2 is better than no lynching.Easy, I assume your preference for a Jeroth lynch is based off of him being just active enough for us not to suspect him of intentional inactivity, while at the same time not really contributing anything?
By the way, reminder of context for this post.Not even.
Based on last Night's performance, I have to assume that we have a Doctor, and a good one. If you are about to be lynched, please claim.
My big problem here is not that Jeroth is telling people to play like Null, because he actually isn't. My problem here is that Anatron said what we all concluded from Day 1 and Jeroth feels that somehow rubbed him the wrong way, while stating that he agrees with Anatron, followed by, yeah, Jeroth being just active enough to not be inactive but not actually particularly helpful. Definitely need to hear from @Jeroth on the issues Easy, TC, and I are raising.This just rubbed me the wrong way. There's no deaths in the first night and Anatron is coaxing the doctor to claim if he's being lynched. There's nothing inherently wrong about the statement; I would rather have our potential doctor alive and outed than dead by our hands. It just doesn't sit right with me at all.