While this is not a defense of Danny, nor possibly the best play, I'm going to
Lynch Firedemon and I recommend y'all to do the same.
This game is at a standstill and I don't think it's acceptable when we all signed up to play. Jeroth won't have forever to Mod the game and we all won't have forever to be active. Either people can't spend 5 minutes a day reading to make at least a small post or we're completely off track and the mafia are keeping quiet.
@Firedemon @Cyonica @Dachande @Danny @Easy @13thforsworn (13th known you've had some toll troubles bruv I understand).
Yeah, fuck the inactives! Wait...
I don't fully trust Dunsparce and I believe he was the first one to label Danny as 'suspicious' when I didn't really see him do much wrong. Really just seeing FD as a neutral target.
Also happy to kill Walrus but again, so was Dunsparce, so goes against my hunch, and at least he's been active idk.
You're absolutely right to be confused, but i'd rather not go against my gut just because i've lost patience for the day, that's not what this game is about.
If you don't trust Dunsparce, why are you trying to lynch me? And if Danny and Walrus are legitimate alternatives for you if Dunsparce hadn't targeted them, wouldn't killing Dunsparce give you more information? If he flips town, you can act on your suspicion of them. If he flips scum, you know they're possibly/probably clear. I'd also feel that if your suspicion of Dunsparce outweighs your other suspicions enough that his attacks on them make them seem innocent, you should probably lynch Dunsparce.
I think the mafia wouldn't be wanting to draw attention to themselves day one, so I want to stick with my theory and fos all the quiet people. For the sake of getting things moving though, unlynch 13th, lynch Firedemon.
I don't do this; though it's fair that you wouldn't have the experience playing with me to know that I don't intentionally lurk.
slight reveal I know Cyon is 100% town.
*facepalm*
I have a similar arrangement with
@Dachande, but without the speaking. We can't talk at night, from what I understand from not seeing the show, it's a one character obsessed with the other situation, or a maybe friendship or something, but anyway I get to know his alignment.
*facepalm harder*
I'm willing to buy for now that we may have a pro town block of 4; Cyon, Dachande, Andy and myself. Just because that is so similar to my own situation. As people within this group die at night (or in the day if it happens), it'll be verified even more.
*facedesk*
That's exactly why you shouldn't believe it.
Well, I'm down for hopping on the Firedemon lynch for today at this point.
*snip*
Other than me just trying to stay impartial and keeping in mind as many potentials as we can,
Unlynch
Lynch Firedemon
Why? Two roleclaims for four people just dropped. Some guy who's been inactive is the last thing you should care about.
As for the two sets of masons, that seems far too sketch. If it was just two, I'd have no reason not to believe it yet, but four 'confirmed' townies makes it more seems like a couple of them might be mafia. Just stressing that nobody should be considered 'confirmed' simply off of their own and someone else's word just yet, especially with an interesting situation like this.
This seems pretty forced to me. Makes me think that maybe Anatron might be a third mafia member with one of the groups that claimed masons. Just a possibility and I think that'd be pretty cool.
Third mafia member isn't absurd, since we do have 11 people. I don't really think this particular theory is likely, but the third mafia member thing isn't absurd. Two sets of mason esque pairs though... With 11 people... That's kinda absurd.
I don't see the Buddy claim honestly coming from Mafia members with such little pressure on them. Danny's story is most likely not going to stop me from voting him or Dach if it seems like they're more likely scum than my other options. I'm not dissuaded by you drawing lines between me and the people who posted above me.
Problem is, the claim makes no sense. I'm of the opinion that we should kill it with fire, as we should all things we don't understand*, because that absence of apparent sense suggests some game or some ploy on their part. Of course, there's always Occam's Razor; they could just be acting illogically.
*You're next
Physical Chemistry, 4th edition by Silbey. Seriously, worst fucking textbook I have ever had. 2/10 would not recommend.
@Walrus thanks for the rule confirm, I guess I can't character name after all.
I easily deflected the few accusations that were already on me.
With Walrus so close to a lynch already, there was no pressure for me to make a buddy claim, or to even change my lynch.
As a mafia play, my claim doesn't make sense, because it makes me a prime target to be lynched in the day as a pretty good informational lynch; when I flip town Dach is cleared. If I flipped Mafia I'd just be a dumb Mafia bringing attention to myself day 1 for absolutely no reason; which is not how I play when I am mafia.
Likewise, I don't buy Andy making the claim and Cyon confirming it as a good Mafia play, because it links them. If there was a vigi for example who suspected they are mafia, it only takes one to flip mafia to out the other one.
Assuming not a bastard game, I am therefore forced to assume we have character pairings represented in the roles we have been given, and that we have been gifted 4 semi-confirmed town. Right now, I'm lynching firedemon because he's quiet and I don't have a better target; the Mafia loves a town that doesn't talk to each other because the more people are forced to talk the more likely it is for inconsistencies to appear and be pointed out.
I... Don't know what to make of this. I had something to say when I grabbed this quote, now I forgot.
(although, FD could just be busy and maybe this'll smoke him out.)
Nope, that book I was burning did it.
*Easy's massive wall of text*
I agree with this.
Looks like the information I was gifted is one way.
I did say previously I can't communicate with Dachande at night, but I was not aware he was unaware of my alignment.
So I'm actually thinking I believe Danny, because this one way thing kinda fits with a particular pair of characters very well I think, and Dachande not confirming it is consistent with what Danny initially said.
Again, throwing a fake claim like this would be a really dumb move for Mafia, since it clearly puts me under suspicion, particularly since a negative from Dachande makes my situation worse, so I'm just going to have to maintain that it is, in fact, true. But I would also like to say: If I wasn't me, I'd lynch me at this point, just for the information.
If I get lynched today, I will flip town, and that makes Dachande the natural mafia night kill, to get rid of a confirmed townie. But this reveal will also help us in that it may semi-confirm andy/cyons claim, I'm willing to believe that there is more then one mason group.
In this situation, we would lose two townies, instead of one.
Mafia has no urgent need to kill me, because of the suspicion already on me, the town will probably do it for them.
So I suggest a logical step would be to ask any role blocker to block me, or any investigator to investigate me.
Since I suspect I'll be lynched for information alone, I'm going to sum up my thoughts.
Easy is right on the money, I'm usually suspicious of easy since he plays quiet, but I think he's town.
Since Andy claimed the mason situation before I got a chance to mention it, (although I did hint at it before he said anything, just not in an solid way) and thanks to what easy posted about the possible pairings, I am willing to accept that the likely of there being more than one set of players with roles designed to cooperate is highly likely, and that I guess it was balanced somewhat by making mine a one way deal.
Anatron doesn't set off any alarm bells for me yet.
13th has been quiet, he only made one post to lynch walrus and has silently let town ruin itself so I'd watch him, and if I didn't think I was going to die, I'd try and pressure him into doing anything.
Because I will flip town, I'm vouching 100% for Dachande, so don't waste abilities killing him, or blocking him, put your focus elsewhere, maybe consider protecting him just to stop mafia making the town weaker.
I think this is just a case of a nervous townie saying way too much for no reason.
I believe Andy/Cyon are legit, the odds of them being scum buddies together two games in a row is very small,
Gambler's Fallacy.
and to the play of bringing up the mason thing and confirming each other would be too risky for the mafia, when a simple investigation or vigi could break that so easily, so that gives you 3 confirmed townies if I get lynched today.
It seems like such a bad idea either way. It seems to me the safest move is to lynch Andy, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he just claimed for no reason just to make me facepalm.
So yeah, uh, gonna maintain that defensive Walrus lynch for the time being. If more of you would like to commit to that investigative Andy lynch, I'll switch.
