Ended Shadow's League of Legends Mafia: Season II - GAME OVER (Anti-Town Victory)

Easy

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I can almost, but not quite beyond doubt, confirm that Tirin didn't kill Whitetiger.
 

Tag_Ross

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Alright, let me point to who exactly killed Tirin < that guy


(God I hope it's on the same line for everyone)

Tirin, even if he targeted WT, hit himself.

So unless scum was blocked, or their target was doctored, they killed WT, but that kill doesn't give us much information if what you guys say is true (I'm still half way through page 8)

Anyways, due to what little I've learned from my night actions, and read from the start of this day, and the first half of the last, I'm suspicious of TC, Req(I don't think he's scum, but I've got my eye on him for now) jeroth, and Shizno.

The reason I'm going for the TC Lynch is because he has a rather anti town ability, and I want to see his defense.
 

Steal Thy Kill

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...okay right. Role Madness craziness. Tirin killing himself is hilarious. And yeah, not seeing much information from any deaths thus far. And Tag, alignment is independent of ability. Shadow made the roles then RNG'd which ones were scum. I'm not saying TC isn't scum, but his apparent role doesn't require him to be scummy.

So we've got (assuming what we've heard so far is truth)
-Tirin somehow killed himself
-TC de-lynched Firedemon
-Firedemon did something to TC
-Somebody else killed Tiger
 

Easy

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Don't think he can, aren't passives and basic abilities separate?

Also, what kind of Asshole would kill Tirin on the first night of his first game in over a year?
Also, don't assume Tirin killed WT, don't assume non-dicks are cleared because Tirin died, don't assume mafia killed Tirin.
I don't want to claim on day 2 two games in a row, but let's just say Tirin's death was definitely due to his own aggressiveness.
Alright, let me point to who exactly killed Tirin < that guy

(God I hope it's on the same line for everyone)

Tirin, even if he targeted WT, hit himself.
Weird.

But yeah, you're right about the passive vs basic thing. Guess that wouldn't have worked after all.
 

Tag_Ross

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I am curious, any particular reason why or simply a hunch? I don't really see my behavior (or lack thereof) as any different than what I normally do during days. Except for many posting lots of jokes, but I figured that Pally had that covered for me at the moment.
Simply, it's because I can never read you, so I always throw you into my suspicious pile.
 

Pally

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Seriously though, if it seems like I've been a bit quite this game it's because I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. This game is a closed setup role madness game. Almost any speculation is wild and stupid. Any investigator works based on assumptions, but on this game the time frame is just too damn long for any theory I make now to hold any water. So for now I sit around and meme hard.

My opinion thus far: Andy was a decent day 1 lynch but he got hammered to early. Whoever hammered him that quick
 

TimTh33nchant3r

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Seriously though, if it seems like I've been a bit quite this game it's because I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. This game is a closed setup role madness game. Almost any speculation is wild and stupid. Any investigator works based on assumptions, but on this game the time frame is just too damn long for any theory I make now to hold any water. So for now I sit around and meme hard.

My opinion thus far: Andy was a decent day 1 lynch but he got hammered to early. Whoever hammered him that quick
Uh, that was Tiger. Who the mafia (are we going with that now? I can't for the life of me figure out why they would though) killed. Starting to wonder if we've got a bus driver in play. Maybe some other re-targeting role? I don't frickin' know.
 

Shizno

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Simply, it's because I can never read you, so I always throw you into my suspicious pile.
Huh, I actually think it's rather easy to read me. If I'm town I'm rather quiet until late game if I survive while if I'm scum I'm fairly more active. But y'know, I'll take the compliment.

I am the Comedy King. I can le funny 9gag anymeme.
Nah, bruh, I was thinking more Funnyjunk.
 

Jeroth

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All right, Chums. I'm back.

I'm happy that @Tag_Ross responded, but I'm incredibly unnerved about @Tolvan being silent. I hate lurkers.

So far page 14 mostly seems to be about Thunderclaw as a main suspect along with night kills not leading anywhere.

Alright, let me point to who exactly killed Tirin < that guy

(God I hope it's on the same line for everyone)

Tirin, even if he targeted WT, hit himself.

So unless scum was blocked, or their target was doctored, they killed WT, but that kill doesn't give us much information if what you guys say is true (I'm still half way through page 8)
Wait, what? That's... actually really funny. The asshole that killed Tirin in his first game in forever was Tirin himself?

...okay right. Role Madness craziness. Tirin killing himself is hilarious. And yeah, not seeing much information from any deaths thus far. And Tag, alignment is independent of ability. Shadow made the roles then RNG'd which ones were scum. I'm not saying TC isn't scum, but his apparent role doesn't require him to be scummy.
If this is true, it seems that we can't just go off of night actions.

With that in mind though, TC certainly does seem like the best lead to discuss. @Colonel Thunder - I'd like to hear what you have to say.
 

Easy

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I'm okay with roleclaiming a power ability if I have to do that to get things done, so I could add just a little more info if we're still starved for conversation topics later. Thing is, TC's really not my favorite lynch here, and I don't really see that discussion going much of anywhere anytime soon. Probably just gonna be something like "ey TC, why you do dis," followed by "cause FD, he look like scum mate" (which I personally sympathize with, FD's been rubbing me a bit wrong from D1), which honestly makes a lot of sense. End of story.

What hasn't been addressed, which surprises me a little, is that nobody's brought up the possibility of Tirin being targeted both by himself and a scumkill. @Tag_Ross, can you confirm this one way or another?
 

Tag_Ross

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What hasn't been addressed, which surprises me a little, is that nobody's brought up the possibility of Tirin being targeted both by himself and a scumkill. @Tag_Ross, can you confirm this one way or another?
I cannot, we know that Tirin did not, or could not really, use an ability on himself that would be beneficial, so I'm pretty confident that his first action was to scavenge a vig kill from Andy, and use it on someone. What my ability tells me, with a DNF, is that Tirin's first action hit Tirin himself.

I don't know if anyone else targeted Tirin, other than myself. I don't know who Tirin meant to target, but he hit himself.
 

Colonel Thunder

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So, TC raised the point of old dudes wouldn't kill Tirin. The reason I think this is false is because the old guys know how good Tirin is at the game. Good enough to get reads on the people he's played past games with. I think that Tirin would be even more likely to be killed by the more veteran mafia players.

Probably for completely different reasons than Tag, I am going to lynch TC. I never like to read too much into nightkills, just because framing another player is so easy to do. I feel like TC would be better than that if he were town, but if he were mafia, then maybe he would try to take the opportunity to put focus on other players.
I dunno man, I still stand by my hunch. We now (presumably) know that Tirin hilariously killed himself, but I still don't think that his bros would have pulled that off even if it weren't the case. That's not based on logic or reason or anything, just a gut conviction that Tirin's bros are bros through and through. I wouldn't expect anyone to take up arms over a theory that's core argument is "TC has feelings".

Also please note that I was not pushing that agenda with any semblance of force. Early Day 2 with almost no practical discussion, I shared a small theory I had, and said that I'd be "more comfortable" lynching some players over others. If it seemed like I was trying to put focus on other players, it's because I was. That's kinda how the game advances. My theory was rightfully trashed soon afterwards, but hey, we got some fantastic discussion out of it. For being a nulled suggestion, I'd like to think it did alright at getting people talking.

I don't want to claim on day 2 two games in a row, but let's just say Tirin's death was definitely due to his own aggressiveness.

And I'm targeting TC because his first ability hit FD, whose first ability hit TC.
Yeah everyone else has already pointed out how that's not indicative of anything. Yesterday I said that I thought FD was suspicious, so I nulled his vote last night in case he's scum. I don't understand the argument here. Even if the argument is "blocking someone's vote is a scum ability", we've already brought out the RNG alignment clause. Plus, straight-up murder is just as indicative of a town vigilante as it is a mafia member. Arguing someone's alignment based off of their ability in a role madness game is probably the crappiest argument I've heard for anything so far.

And believe me, I'm an expert on crap arguments.

The reason I'm going for the TC Lynch is because he has a rather anti town ability, and I want to see his defense.


So we've got (assuming what we've heard so far is truth)
-Tirin somehow killed himself
-TC de-lynched Firedemon
-Firedemon did something to TC
-Assuming Tag is town or independent, I buy Tirin killing himself. Too funny to not be true.
-True, because I thought he was kinda scummy, but now I'm kinda suspicious of like four more people.
-Firedemon what did you do to me, you little brat!? Dood! I thought we were going to be bros this time!



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Uh, that was Tiger. Who the mafia (are we going with that now? I can't for the life of me figure out why they would though) killed. Starting to wonder if we've got a bus driver in play. Maybe some other re-targeting role? I don't frickin' know.
I'm thinking either role shenanigans, or the mafia is at least partially poop mafia.

Huh, I actually think it's rather easy to read me. If I'm town I'm rather quiet until late game if I survive while if I'm scum I'm fairly more active. But y'know, I'll take the compliment.
Not gonna lie, Shizno. Claiming what your own scum behavior is reads hella freaking fishy to me. You're near the top of my list right now.

I'm happy that @Tag_Ross responded, but I'm incredibly unnerved about @Tolvan being silent. I hate lurkers.
I also want Tolvan to speak more, as now I'm suspecting him being poop mafia with Shizno.


With that in mind though, TC certainly does seem like the best lead to discuss. @Colonel Thunder - I'd like to hear what you have to say.
 
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