Just got off work. Blooky recentered the conversation how I was hoping.
Discussion about various words and whether or not they hurt people is certainly a discussion to have, but this thread in particular is about simply being kinder to people and being cool with one another as well as any new people we get. If you go too far, you'll be informed and if it's bad enough to get Admins involved, that'll happen, but I trust us to know where the line is.
@Lumpy, I agree with you on how we treated Goldy and the whole dc;ha meme that came out of it. Yeah, it came out of people defending me and me being hurt by stuff that happened in my life back then, but Goldy didn't deserve our treatment of him in any way. There's no excuse. It's moments like those in our history that I want us to look back on and work towards preventing.
What we need to do is try and prevent stuff like that from happening again. I regret my part in it and my lack of stopping it, as well as laughing at it or using it as a meme. So many things about that whole situation are examples of what I mean about us needing to be better. We haven't had a situation like it in a long time, but still, the fact that more happened after it is the thing I think it's healthy for us to discuss.
I also wanna say after the fact that this is the most important thing I think has been brought up so far. When I said that we're gonna try to use less toxic terms and be more welcoming to people in how we talk amongst ourselves, I should have made it clear that I want to make sure we also don't do anything else like we did with Goldy. Regardless of how we feel about different terms and their use, one of our major problems has been moments like these, more so than any problematic terms we use, I absolutely agree there. I still think we've been toxic in terms of our terms, but I think that's simply a difference of how we view that side of things overall. Goldy though, we're in complete agreement and it's something I really hate about myself from back then. I could have and should have stopped it, but it didn't happen. I'm aiming to be better.
@Dunsparce, I'm not gonna hate on you or say anything that might make you feel alienated here. You've made it clear what your intentions with the community are and what you hope to gain from it. Since that's the case and you see us just entertainment (again, no judgment), you need to know that a lot of us are seemingly in agreement that we're gonna head in this direction as a community and try to make things more welcoming to people. I understand if that's a deal breaker for you, but we are all here for each other as long time friends and not just entertainment. If things go as we plan/hope, we also intend to be here to try and build this community around us/beyond us and with more people comes concessions. Sure, we'd probably still joke with each other how we normally do, but it's not a bad idea for us to encourage each other to not use words or terms that could cause problems and hurt others, whether we agree that's something that actually happens or not. If that's not something you feel you can be part of, I dunno, I guess that more or less makes the decision for you? Just thinking out loud really.
Anyways, long post short, I think it's fair to say we have an understanding of where we're taking the community from here. I'd love to see more conversation though.
Discussion about various words and whether or not they hurt people is certainly a discussion to have, but this thread in particular is about simply being kinder to people and being cool with one another as well as any new people we get. If you go too far, you'll be informed and if it's bad enough to get Admins involved, that'll happen, but I trust us to know where the line is.
@Lumpy, I agree with you on how we treated Goldy and the whole dc;ha meme that came out of it. Yeah, it came out of people defending me and me being hurt by stuff that happened in my life back then, but Goldy didn't deserve our treatment of him in any way. There's no excuse. It's moments like those in our history that I want us to look back on and work towards preventing.
What we need to do is try and prevent stuff like that from happening again. I regret my part in it and my lack of stopping it, as well as laughing at it or using it as a meme. So many things about that whole situation are examples of what I mean about us needing to be better. We haven't had a situation like it in a long time, but still, the fact that more happened after it is the thing I think it's healthy for us to discuss.
I also wanna say after the fact that this is the most important thing I think has been brought up so far. When I said that we're gonna try to use less toxic terms and be more welcoming to people in how we talk amongst ourselves, I should have made it clear that I want to make sure we also don't do anything else like we did with Goldy. Regardless of how we feel about different terms and their use, one of our major problems has been moments like these, more so than any problematic terms we use, I absolutely agree there. I still think we've been toxic in terms of our terms, but I think that's simply a difference of how we view that side of things overall. Goldy though, we're in complete agreement and it's something I really hate about myself from back then. I could have and should have stopped it, but it didn't happen. I'm aiming to be better.
@Dunsparce, I'm not gonna hate on you or say anything that might make you feel alienated here. You've made it clear what your intentions with the community are and what you hope to gain from it. Since that's the case and you see us just entertainment (again, no judgment), you need to know that a lot of us are seemingly in agreement that we're gonna head in this direction as a community and try to make things more welcoming to people. I understand if that's a deal breaker for you, but we are all here for each other as long time friends and not just entertainment. If things go as we plan/hope, we also intend to be here to try and build this community around us/beyond us and with more people comes concessions. Sure, we'd probably still joke with each other how we normally do, but it's not a bad idea for us to encourage each other to not use words or terms that could cause problems and hurt others, whether we agree that's something that actually happens or not. If that's not something you feel you can be part of, I dunno, I guess that more or less makes the decision for you? Just thinking out loud really.
Anyways, long post short, I think it's fair to say we have an understanding of where we're taking the community from here. I'd love to see more conversation though.