Ended Shadow's League of Legends Mafia: Season II - GAME OVER (Anti-Town Victory)

[Tirin]

I'm sorry to be rude and talk here, but I have one thing that must be said:

: (

 

[Firedemon]

I think we can agree you earned that sad face post.

So, fun facts guys. I am not able to cast any votes today because someone decided to be a dick to me. Not sure why they would target me, I didn't vote yesterday either because busy. Seems like a waste of probably 50 or 100 mana. Good work, guy!

 

[Jeroth]

Well, all right. I come back from a bar and this unfolded.

Thanks for that, TC. Thinking back, the only game I really remember seeing Tirin in was the Gurren Lagann one that Riyant ran that inspired me to join the Forumafia game in the first place. Was he in the OOTS mafia game? I can't remember because it's been so long ago. Which is a shame because I should grudge against whoever was playing Nale in that.

AYYY! I posted the logs of that game in the "Nostalgia/Old Community Creations thread." If you wanted to gander at it.

That aside, time to tackle some discussions.

So I'm going with a working hypothesis of mafia killed Tirin, and Tirin grave-dug Andy's kill ability to take out Tiger.

That's a possibility, but there's something else that we need to address:

The serial killer (if one exists) is not affected by the level-up mechanic, and will gain access to their ultimate on Night 3.

There may be a serial killer in this game. My suspect is that it's someone who is lurking and doesn't want to attract attention. It would also explain the two deaths today. One was done in by the serial killer and another was done in by the mafia.

Also interesting is the kill of Tirin. One might wonder if the mafia were trying to implicate Tolvan somehow. Of course, the possibility that Tolvan or his team simply got nervous with the heavy pushing Tirin did on day one exists as well, but that seems unlikely given the number of mafia vets in the game. I'm actually kind of leaning toward Tolvan being innocent a little bit now.

This is the issue that I have with that argument. It turns into a circular/WIFOM argument of: "AHA! What if you knew that I knew that you know that I knew!" I can understand the sentiments, but we can't be certain.

This might actually be a strong lead, because that is a real dick move. I'm assuming Tirin wasn't killed by Easy, Stealthy, or Jeroth because they know Tirin's mafia history very well and are too good of bros to him to kill him off so quickly. Req is too much of a bro and game lover all around that I would not suspect him of killing Tirin this early either. I don't know Shizno's or Tag Ross' relationship with Tirin or the level of their involvement with Tirin's old mafia days, but I'm leaning towards they didn't do it. Unless Tag is being very clever.

To the best of my knowledge, Ro3, Tolvan, Pally, and Tim have had minimal history with Tirin, or more specifically him playing mafia and how that usually goes down. I'd be more comfortable lynching one of them today than anyone else on that account alone.

While I want to agree with that being a good lead, it brings in the idea of outside games. It doesn't help us with the current situation.

Where we are now:

For now, it seems that Tirin was killed due to his aggressive nature. We know that he had named these two targets before he died: Tolvan and Tag Ross.

...Now I know how this looks, guys, but bear with me, I'm a goodmin. We should probably have a look into some of the people who haven't said anything yet, and those who've been real quiet. Honestly, I'm a little suspicious of Tolvan because of how little he contributed to his own defense, but I think looking into Tag (or at least getting a response from him) is a better idea.

At the very least, I want to hear what they have to say.

 

[Easy]

Well anyway, nostalgia of the way way back aside, no, if I were mafia I'd have probably killed Easy first, under the assumption of vaguely worded Tolvan vouching being indicative of...what's that role that can talk to another person with it? Lover or something? Mason? I got stuck with it in the OOTS mafia 'cause I was Elan. Well, you know what I mean.

I don't really remember the fine details of most Mafia games I've been in, with a few exceptions. This is one of those, because as Vaarsuvius I ousted one scumbag and used a Bomb ability (Explosive Runes) to take out another when he nightkilled me. (And an SK at the same time, I think? Actually wish I had an archive of that game. It was hilarious.)

I'm trying to remember who was the biggest dick out of the four of us way back, and I don't actually know Tolvan. Ro3 was always chill, and I like to argue but I'm not generally hostile. I hope. Did Pally actually DDOS someone, or was that just a running joke? Or am I misremembering and that was someone else entirely?

Pally never DDoS'd anyone. He joked about it when one of the servers for something went out, and Danny went apeshit over it and banned him.

 

[Tag_Ross]

For now, it seems that Tirin was killed due to his aggressive nature. We know that he had named these two targets before he died: Tolvan and Tag Ross.

Spoilers douche, I haven't gotten that far yet.

Also, don't assume Tirin killed WT, don't assume non-dicks are cleared because Tirin died, don't assume mafia killed Tirin.

If he did steal the vig kill the kill could have easily been blocked, redirected, or backfired.

 

[TimTh33nchant3r]

It turns into a circular/WIFOM argument of: "AHA! What if you knew that I knew that you know that I knew!" I can understand the sentiments, but we can't be certain.

Yeah, I thought about the WIFOM aspect of that argument when I posted it, but I'm thinking that the multi-layer level is probably not the case. Call it a gut reaction for now.

Pally never DDoS'd anyone. He joked about it when one of the servers for something went out, and Danny went apeshit over it and banned him.

Yeah, that sounds right. Something about a red moon, something something melodrama, something something complete.

Also, don't assume Tirin killed WT, don't assume non-dicks are cleared because Tirin died, don't assume mafia killed Tirin.

If he did steal the vig kill the kill could have easily been blocked, redirected, or backfired.

All valid points that I have no data to even begin to guess about. Kind of why I asked if anyone else had thoughts about the night. I particularly wonder about backfired. That's an interesting concept.

 

[Tag_Ross]

I think we can agree you earned that sad face post.

So, fun facts guys. I am not able to cast any votes today because someone decided to be a dick to me. Not sure why they would target me, I didn't vote yesterday either because busy. Seems like a waste of probably 50 or 100 mana. Good work, guy!

Cool, missed this post.

Lynch TC

I have my reasons.

(Who needs the last... Six pages of information?)

 

[Firedemon]

As much as I should like the TC lynch, why exactly? I'll assume you have an explanation incoming?

 

[Colonel Thunder]

Um, why?

Please accept this omgus vote (Lynch Tag Ross) for the time being. I'm going to bed and half expecting to come back to five new pages.

 

[Ro Ro Ro]

So, TC raised the point of old dudes wouldn't kill Tirin. The reason I think this is false is because the old guys know how good Tirin is at the game. Good enough to get reads on the people he's played past games with. I think that Tirin would be even more likely to be killed by the more veteran mafia players.

Probably for completely different reasons than Tag, I am going to lynch TC. I never like to read too much into nightkills, just because framing another player is so easy to do. I feel like TC would be better than that if he were town, but if he were mafia, then maybe he would try to take the opportunity to put focus on other players.

 

[Colonel Thunder]

Also, I'm pretty sure I haven't joke lynched you in quite a few games. I slowed down on that after the time I did it and you got lynched before you even got a chance to look at your role PM. Which was funny as hell but awful at the same time.

Forgot to respond to this. That was actually hilarious, even then.

 

[Pally]

TC is literally always Town. Even when he's Mafia.

 

[Pally]

I've seen him play Teemo...

 

[Tag_Ross]

I don't want to claim on day 2 two games in a row, but let's just say Tirin's death was definitely due to his own aggressiveness.

And I'm targeting TC because his first ability hit FD, whose first ability hit TC.

 

[Easy]

...wha? How is that suspicious?

 

[Easy]

Also, for funsies, I found:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130919133938/http://www.urealms.com/showthread.php?2812-Order-of-the-Stick-Mafia-Game-Over-Azure-City-Thespians-Win
http://web.archive.org/web/20111102205309/http://www.urealms.com/showthread.php?2812-Order-of-the-Stick-Mafia-N5.-Easy-Req-Riyant-and-Balth-Are-All-Still-Alive.-wtf&p=85611
http://web.archive.org/web/20130919143156/http://www.urealms.com/showthread.php?2812-Order-of-the-Stick-Mafia-Game-Over-Azure-City-Thespians-Win&p=91033

 

[Ro Ro Ro]

Tag Ross,

Role alignments have been determined regardless of flavor, and will be distributed randomly.

TC targeting FD doesn't really tell us anything, other than that TC has the ability to prevent someone's vote for a day. His alignment is still completely up to RNG.

 

[Easy]

I mean, he did tell us he thought FD was scum.

 

[Steal Thy Kill]

Man, I wish I still had the roles for OOTS mafia. They may be on an old hard drive. That game was a chaotically fun mess. I think I approached the role making for that game as "when everybody's overpowered, nobody will be" and it somehow worked out really well.

Re: Nightkill Analysis. Good catch on the SK bit, and while an SK may exist, Tiger still reads as a pro-town kill to me. Doesn't make sense for an anti-townie to intentionally target him when he was a primary lynch target. Like, if you're maf or sk, you don't try and kill people who are likely to take the fall for you. While everybody certainly approaches night kills differently, I think that's fairly consistent, unless. Also I don't really like the idea of trying too hard to link the night kills to specific people because it often leads to WIFOM bullshit. Nightkill Analysis is good for keeping an idea of what killing roles are out there so we know how many people we have to kill and how many to expect to die each night, trying to sort out consistency in roleclaim stories, and in rare circumstances you may be able to find a pattern after a few nights, but it's not likely to be reliable.

And yeah, Tag, you don't have me sold on the TC lynch.

 

[Steal Thy Kill]

While everybody certainly approaches night kills differently, I think that's fairly consistent, unless they have some specific reason to fear Tiger.

I am dumb and forgot to add this in.