Ended Jeroth's Overwatch Mafia [ Town Victory!]
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Anatron. Tirin might have forgotten before dropping a lynch, but go back to Day 2 and look:
Of course TC couldn't have hit Tirin for 75 damage, because he was dead. But I knew Tirin took 75 damage from another source anyway, before Firedemon fessed up to it. How? Same logic Dunsparce used to figure out Andy took 140 damage Night 2. Claiming "22.5 damage - half of 45, rounded up" was the convenient way of giving out my night info without breaking cover and revealing myself as a genuinely excellent scum target.
Well... that's what a sleepless night spent ruminating on a week of information gets me. Fuck.
On the other hand, you both mentioned that that's the same amount of damage that 76 deals, and noted your suspicions that any anti-town DPS would deal more damage. This would suggest that you think Firedemon wasn't scum - and I've got more reason to think he's been honest this game (when he's talked, that is) than you have.
He might also behave entirely silently, on account of being silenced.
You didn't "know", you merely commented on a possibility - and one that would appear entirely viable, given that a character who dealt 75 damage was already revealed.
Night attack damage isn't what we need, it's smart protection and careful lynches. But fine, do that second thing and we'll see. Unlynch.
Yeaaaahhhh... "top secret information" isn't gonna fly here. We're at a point where we may as well lay everything on the table, and you conspicuously ignoring that in the worst way possible tickles my scumdar. Be up-front or shut the fuck up with this "but totally, guys".
Fine, fuck it. I can resurrect people. I didn't want to outright say that because, if it's possible, the mafia is gonna try to roleblock me. If we lynch FD and he flips town, my options are between him and TC, two people who've abandoned this game. If we lynch Easy, either he flips scum and we win, or I can rez him tonight. Honestly, Easy getting confirmed town is a fuck of a lot more valuable than whatever piss piddling damage he can do tonight.
Yeah, I'm soooo sure scum wouldn't figure that out with all the Mercy hints you've been droppin'. Hold on, lemme pause to roll the actual fuck outta my eyes.
What you need to do is play it smart enough not to use that ability at an inopportune time and waste it due to a roleblock, as well as - since we have a bus driver - not hit scum with it. I'd rather you rez TC and he sucks than you get bussed from Easy to Req and we take a step back.
What you need to do is play it smart enough not to use that ability at an inopportune time and waste it due to a roleblock, as well as - since we have a bus driver - not hit scum with it. I'd rather you rez TC and he sucks than you get bussed from Easy to Req and we take a step back.
I did think Firedemon probably wasn't scum. But then we killed Reaper and Widow, all my night actions failed for a night, and the game's still going. So there's probably a Sombra, and the balance of probability no longer suggests that FD is Town, because the remaining scum probably doesn't do more damage than Soldier.
Andy does 80, for the record, which I was willing to accept within the range of possibility cause I made the catastrophic, multi-day mistake of not realizing he was actually telling the truth about N2.( I'd thought for a while he and Req had mutually agreed to switch their damage values around, just to cause confusion, but it turned out to actually have been the much simpler solution that they were actually just both telling the truth, and I really should have double checked my own shit before getting convoluted with the theorycrafting. But then, wasn't exactly in my best frame of mind yesterday or the day before.)
30hp healing Night 2. Night 3, no idea.
180 base plus 30% bonus. Four night's worth, after three full nights of deliberately withholding damage. Should leave scum as an easy nightkill in the event that your backup plan of lynching me fails, and whatever anti-Town is left gets an ult.
Cute, but no; looks like somebody's been looking up values on Overwatch wiki. Either you're lying or Dunsparce can both heal and damage boost in the same night as Mercy (seems pretty unlikely), and I'm willing to bank on you lying. I was admittedly a little suspect of him, but seein' as he's claimed to have a rez while you've just said "I can do damage" - the former of which is actually useful, since just about everyone on town can probably do a dickload of damage once ults are out - I've gotta go ahead and hard FoS that'll probably become a lynch on Easy.
Dunsparce, if you healed me for 30 on night 2, tell me now. Otherwise Easy just sealed his fuckin' fate.
...nothing I can add to that. It is the amount of healing that I do, and did. "Why would I just pull values from the wiki when I've got (and everybody else has so very un-wiki an amount of hp and damage," I suppose.
Oh. And given that I actually wasn't redirected at all N2, we may not have a bus driver per se. That may have just been a side-effect of a Sombra defensive ability applied to Firedemon, when Anatron tried to swing at him. Just something to throw out in case I end up hammered soon.
But he does roleblock.
Oh. And given that I actually wasn't redirected at all N2, we may not have a bus driver per se. That may have just been a side-effect of a Sombra defensive ability applied to Firedemon, when Anatron tried to swing at him. Just something to throw out in case I end up hammered soon.
But he does roleblock.
Oh, and: in the event of my unfortunate, wasteful, and definitely senseless demise today (c'mon, guys, how many scum does a guy gotta lynch already), let's everybody do be open to the possibility that Tirin's lying. His tracking's legit - confirmed that yesterday when he was able to confirm I didn't target myself N1 and Anatron targeted Req N2, but in the event that FD flips scum today and the game keeps going anyway, it's likely in his a best interest not to have me around to shoot him. Because that would mean that we do, in fact have an independent in this game, and that independent is Tirin's Hanzo.
Do start with Firedemon instead, though.
Do start with Firedemon instead, though.
I'll tell you right now, I'd be trying to do way more damage than tracking if I were an SK, especially since my lynches on scum didn't hinge on it... well, at all, really. Certainly the one on Coolpool didn't, and the info I got from Req only told me that Anatron had targeted him - which he could have confirmed himself anyway, along with his damage.
And, really? "How many scum does a guy gotta lynch"? Apparently more than two, 'cause you puttin' the suspicion on me right now. I'm not trying to flip FD scum today, either, I'm tryna flip you on account of your suspicious-ass numbers and general behavior.
@Dunsparce - confirm or deny you healed me for 30 on night 2, please. That's almost certainly the crux of "is Easy scum or not?", because I can't imagine Riyant gave us three healers. If anyone else healed me that night, though - hint hint, @AndyM03 maybe? - now'd be the time to speak up.
And, really? "How many scum does a guy gotta lynch"? Apparently more than two, 'cause you puttin' the suspicion on me right now. I'm not trying to flip FD scum today, either, I'm tryna flip you on account of your suspicious-ass numbers and general behavior.
@Dunsparce - confirm or deny you healed me for 30 on night 2, please. That's almost certainly the crux of "is Easy scum or not?", because I can't imagine Riyant gave us three healers. If anyone else healed me that night, though - hint hint, @AndyM03 maybe? - now'd be the time to speak up.
Lynch on Coolpool only happened cause I insisted on it when nobody else was with it, though. Could have just as easily been Dunsparce if I'd gone along with that, instead.
Andy hits for 80 damage - doubt that's healer material.
Thought Anatron might be Lucio based on his D1 "mitigate damage for 4 people" thing; couldn't say so at the time, of course, in case I was right. Rein claim since then anyway, so irrelevant.
Bothers me how I didn't take any damage N1, though. Anatron says none was directed at me. What the hell happened to your Sonic Arrow damage then? My alleged 22.5 on Req is easily explained; I tried to heal gin, not damage him, but since he claimed a self-protect for that night it was a harmless lie that I could use to lie about how I justified the conclusion that you got shot for 75 damage by somebody else. But I took no damage at all N1, (even had that confirmed again with Riyant as soon as I saw it, because even I was surprised to see that red-herring lightning rod play actually work out that perfectly), and Anatron's insisted he would have known if he'd blocked any.
It occurs to me that Sombra could easily be a tracker that can also do 65 damage, not inherent to the tracking, and Genji could deal 75 damage and deflect incoming attacks at other people. But the only reason for you to stop me getting the lynch off on FD, then, would be... yeah, I dunno actually. Lying about the healing you took would just backfire when my role card flipped. So, fine. Shelve that.
I don't have an explanation for your extra 30 healing. Or your missing N1 damage. Just everything else. Which, at this point, is something I guess I'm just saying so that you know what you have to work with after I flip.
Andy hits for 80 damage - doubt that's healer material.
Thought Anatron might be Lucio based on his D1 "mitigate damage for 4 people" thing; couldn't say so at the time, of course, in case I was right. Rein claim since then anyway, so irrelevant.
Bothers me how I didn't take any damage N1, though. Anatron says none was directed at me. What the hell happened to your Sonic Arrow damage then? My alleged 22.5 on Req is easily explained; I tried to heal gin, not damage him, but since he claimed a self-protect for that night it was a harmless lie that I could use to lie about how I justified the conclusion that you got shot for 75 damage by somebody else. But I took no damage at all N1, (even had that confirmed again with Riyant as soon as I saw it, because even I was surprised to see that red-herring lightning rod play actually work out that perfectly), and Anatron's insisted he would have known if he'd blocked any.
It occurs to me that Sombra could easily be a tracker that can also do 65 damage, not inherent to the tracking, and Genji could deal 75 damage and deflect incoming attacks at other people. But the only reason for you to stop me getting the lynch off on FD, then, would be... yeah, I dunno actually. Lying about the healing you took would just backfire when my role card flipped. So, fine. Shelve that.
I don't have an explanation for your extra 30 healing. Or your missing N1 damage. Just everything else. Which, at this point, is something I guess I'm just saying so that you know what you have to work with after I flip.
Andy, who did you shoot?
EDIT: I've been getting this sneaking suspicion that Sombra can use hacked abilities. Might be the wild card that's throwing us off.
EDIT: I've been getting this sneaking suspicion that Sombra can use hacked abilities. Might be the wild card that's throwing us off.
Tasty. Makes me more suspicious of Easy, which is certainly valuable. Very important question here - were you targetable last night?
Could be the Ana 'nade, obviously Lucio wouldn't work there.
I can choose to deal the damage, and have largely been choosing not to. What I don't understand is why you'd target me for Discord, but not try to actually damage me; surely you were aware that I'd pissed off plenty of people by that time.
I didn't consider the FD is Genji possibility, which... makes a hell of a lot of sense, for pretty self-evident reasons. I guess that really does break it down to between you and Andy.
Important little tidbitty here, and hence why I asked Dunsparce if he was targetable last night. If so, then I know you're full of shit because I was roleblocked.
Yeah, and I was just one of the ones that found you suspicious. But as for not shooting you - was I gonna take a statistically small chance of doing a bit more damage to scum now, (and an unfavorably-large chance of doing it to Town instead), or do my best to make sure I stay alive a few more nights and take a statistically much larger chance of doing a whole whopping heap of damage to scum later?
You know that would preclude the possibility that he's Zenyatta even more than his Soldier-level attack damage already does, right?
@Anatronman @AndyM03
Anyone else's night actions failed last night?
Both of ours went through.
Hold on - what? Why Andy? Remember when Req shot Andy?
Genji deflect isn't the only possible explanation for that attack on FD getting redirected to Req, you know. I could see a hack or teleporter beacon being responsible for that, as well. Only issues being that if it's a blanket attack redirect like the beacon would imply, then Req would be a terrible choice of secondary target as his fellow scummate (although Sombra isn't necessarily legit pro-Talon, either), and my getting roleblocked last night would seem to preclude the hacking explanation, unless Andy's the kind of cuckerino dingus who would McCree-flashbang me for hammering scum the way he McCree-shot me for instigating lynch on scum or something.
Genji deflect isn't the only possible explanation for that attack on FD getting redirected to Req, you know. I could see a hack or teleporter beacon being responsible for that, as well. Only issues being that if it's a blanket attack redirect like the beacon would imply, then Req would be a terrible choice of secondary target as his fellow scummate (although Sombra isn't necessarily legit pro-Talon, either), and my getting roleblocked last night would seem to preclude the hacking explanation, unless Andy's the kind of cuckerino dingus who would McCree-flashbang me for hammering scum the way he McCree-shot me for instigating lynch on scum or something.