Ended Witch Hunt (Mafia) (Game End, Partial Town Victory)

[Tag_Ross]

Why do you guys keep saying I'm playing shit town, all I did was point out that i didn't like the reasoning for the chicken Lynch, which surprise surprise, he was town. As for day 2 I've been reading and rereading the posts and I can't think of anyone better to Lynch than Ro, and it's not because he's "playing emotionally", it's because he's playing tactically, he's making moves that I can't counteract in a way that doesn't make me look like scum.

He claimed Mason and outed his partner, scum normally wouldn't do this, right?

well take a look at what happens if we Lynch me as the townie, on days 3&4 the Lynch is undeniably going to fall hard and fast on Ro and Tolvan. That looks bad right? Well not when you consider his little productive conversation happens on those days, once day 5 rolls around the game will be left to the last three players, and the townies will(most likely) have no idea if the other player is the witch or the other townie. That's huge for them, can win them the game with a single town mistake.

Now what's the downside for the play? if we lynch him as the scum what happens night 2? I'll probably get night killed. then on day 3 town lynches Tolvan, night 3 another townie dies, day 4, it's one scum vs four townies, but with the lack of discussion on day 3 it's somewhat likely that, if he isn't an idiot, the remaining scum will survive, pushing him to day five with only one day of thought gone into finding out who is the last witch.

So that's why doing what seems to be a stupid play isn't as stupid as it looks. "but that only works out if they're the mafia" you might say, and that's true, but if I'm scum and I am lynched today it confirms two masons, one of which will probably be killed at night to end their conversations. then what?

"But what if there's a serial killer, or Vig?" then if we lynch Ro and he's scum the vig can kill Tolvan and the witches will kill me most likely, but if he's not scum then the vig will kill me and the witches will kill tolvan. if we lynch me you'll only end up losing a town players.

 

[Shadow]

I can't think of anyone better to Lynch than Ro ... because he's playing tactically, he's making moves that I can't counteract in a way that doesn't make me look like scum.

well take a look at what happens if we Lynch me as the townie, on days 3&4 the Lynch is undeniably going to fall hard and fast on Ro and Tolvan. That looks bad right? Well not when you consider his little productive conversation happens on those days, once day 5 rolls around the game will be left to the last three players, and the townies will(most likely) have no idea if the other player is the witch or the other townie. That's huge for them, can win them the game with a single town mistake.

Now what's the downside for the play? if we lynch him as the scum what happens night 2? I'll probably get night killed. then on day 3 town lynches Tolvan, night 3 another townie dies, day 4, it's one scum vs four townies, but with the lack of discussion on day 3 it's somewhat likely that, if he isn't an idiot, the remaining scum will survive, pushing him to day five with only one day of thought gone into finding out who is the last witch.

So that's why doing what seems to be a stupid play isn't as stupid as it looks. "but that only works out if they're the mafia" you might say, and that's true, but if I'm scum and I am lynched today it confirms two masons, one of which will probably be killed at night to end their conversations. then what?

"But what if there's a serial killer, or Vig?" then if we lynch Ro and he's scum the vig can kill Tolvan and the witches will kill me most likely, but if he's not scum then the vig will kill me and the witches will kill tolvan. if we lynch me you'll only end up losing a town players.

 

[Ro Ro Ro]

Alright, a question for every player in this game. Even if you wish to lynch me or Tag Ross, if there is another player other than Tag Ross or Myself that you wish to bring up to the chopping block, please do so.

I'll start. Req. He was fine until he made post #177. It felt very off for some reason, but I can't pinpoint why. Man, did it ever feel off though. FoS Req

 

[Jeroth]

Jeroth - Town. Accused by Ro as Scum.
-Coolpool - Lurking.
-Easy - Softclaimed Town. Supported by Ro.
-Tag Ross - Scum Group #1 - Accused by Ro
-Andy - Scum Group #1 - Accused by Ro
-Req - Scum Group #1
-Ro Ro Ro - Mason / Scum Group #2
-Tolvan - Mason / Scum Group #2
-Shadow - Scum Group #2.

Fantastic. Now that I have the response that I needed, I could finalize that chart.

I'm town. Full Stop. That's the end.
Coolpool has been playing like an inexperienced town because he is slightly inexperienced.
Easy soft claimed town, so it's fair to assume that's still in play.

Now, this is where the fun begins.

If you don't like the way someone jumped on the lynchtrain, switch the focus to them. It's all about generating discussion and reads. You just have to use the vote as a tool to do it.

To briefly explain my bizarre play style:

No mafia in their right mind would blatantly oppose Ro. It'd be suicide. With all the analyzation that he's done, it's fair to say that he's the leader of the town. If a mafia member opposed him, it's too risky for him to defend against him. So I chose to be the voice of opposition to generate discussion and reads. I bundled together an argument that made sense and shook the tree to cause more discourse - and hey! Take a look, we got a lot more posts and the lines in the sand are drawn.

Overall, I wanted to make sure the town had a solid game plan in the event that I'm either wrong or right.

So, Town, here's a fun little game plan for us to follow to win.

If we lynch Tag Ross on Day 3 and he pulls up Town? Well, fuck, we know that Ro is a mafia and Tolvan is a scum buddy. Shadow is a fair guess at the third mafia in that scenario, but I doubt that the three of them are mafia. If they are, then as Shadow said, they're all geniuses and I won't be mad if town ends up losing.

More than likely, Tag pops up as a mafia member. He dies. Andy gets lynched next. Then we lynch Req.

Regardless, if we nail two mafia members in a row, it gives us two chances to figure out the mafia. I know that I'm a fair suspect, so if people want to waste one of their chances to kill off a member of the town, then they're free to. If we nail one mafia member and a town, well, it gets a bit trickier.

Unlynch Ro.

Lynch Tag.

 

[AndyM03]

Alright, a question for every player in this game. Even if you wish to lynch me or Tag Ross, if there is another player other than Tag Ross or Myself that you wish to bring up to the chopping block, please do so.

I'll start. Req. He was fine until he made post #177. It felt very off for some reason, but I can't pinpoint why. Man, did it ever feel off though. FoS Req

Yeah I've felt off with Req too. I mean, even in other threads I think he's mentioned being busy recently, but I feel like he's been playing weirdly. That being said, Tag sounded so desperately to try and sound like Jeroth in his logic but really just fell apart. That post just seemed really fake. I'm on the to be lynched chopping block but i'm trying to counter that by staying positive and contribute to discussion, and I dunno, just be a useful townie. Tag just sorta lost his shit, no offence man. I won't lynch him just yet but those are my thoughts.

Actually while I'm on the topic of me being a 'possible' mafia I will call myself out right now and say my biggest blunder was in an earlier post when I said Easy was very keen to lynch Chicken. To be fair, it was clearly the direction he wanted the town to take, but he was just as happy to lynch TC and I put words in his mouth. It was less of a calculated mafia move to make Easy seem aggressive and simply me having an idea of Easy's intentions after reading his posts and making my reply too long after I had read them, so I had forgot exactly what Easy had said and misjudged his tenacity.

 

[Easy]

If we lynch Tag Ross on Day 3 and he pulls up Town? Well, fuck, we know that Ro is a mafia and Tolvan is a scum buddy. Shadow is a fair guess at the third mafia in that scenario, but I doubt that the three of them are mafia. If they are, then as Shadow said, they're all geniuses and I won't be mad if town ends up losing.

No - if Tag comes up Town, it doesn't tell us shit. It leaves us with the perfectly reasonable possibility that Ro's a Townie who just made an honest mistake. That's the real problem with a Tag lynch.

That said? I'm going to go for biting the bullet and Lynch Tag Ross. Realistically, I was never going to accept his defense anyway, but the formality's over with.

 

[coolpool2]

I feel like I should be writing a lot more in these posts, but I would just look like I'm repeating things other people have said. I'm leaning towards lynching Tag Ross, but I want to wait a bit longer because we still have some more time. When it comes to Tag, the only thing I have against him is just not being that active. Which doesn't really say that much. If we lynch wrong here then it could spell the end of the game for us.

I'm also genuinely curious if Riyant actually planned that or not. It is a good point either way though.

The mafia will probably kill Ro or Tolvan at night since most of the town seems to trust them at the moment. However, they might have some other plan.

 

[Tolvan]

Dear Witches,

Don't kill me.

Sincerely,
Tolvan

 

[Tag_Ross]

Are you guys blind or stupid?

"But what if there's a serial killer, or Vig?" then if we lynch Ro and he's scum the vig can kill Tolvan and the witches will kill me most likely, but if he's not scum then the vig will kill me and the witches will kill tolvan. if we lynch me you'll only end up losing a town players.

"But what if there's a serial killer, or Vig?" then if we lynch Ro and he's scum the vig can kill Tolvan and the witches will kill me most likely

"But what if there's a serial killer, or Vig?" then if we lynch Ro and he's scum the vig can kill Tolvan

"But what if there's a serial killer, or Vig?"

"But what if there's a serial killer, or Vig?"

Vig

I'm the God damn witch hunter(vig/Mason), I'm required to kill someone every night, last night i killed TC because his survival would have meant an easy Lynch which would have made for poor conversation. I know they aren't masons because I doubt FD would make two Mason groups. Role claiming doesn't help me at all because my role is pretty much exactly the role claimed by the guy who accused me and a night kill role, which doesn't look very good for me.

Lynch Ro

You fucking idiots.

 

[Requiem]

I haven't gotten to read the posts people have made. This game moves quick and I passed the fuck out last night due to the IRL stuff I mentioned.

Anyways, I can confirm that Tag is the Witch Hunter and that he has a night kill ability. I am the Puritanical Priest and Tag and I are teamed together in order to kill the Witches. I have a one shot ability to make someone be lynched one vote sooner. I don't want to have to use it, but Tag IS a vigilante power role. Killing him isn't in the Town's best interest.

You guys feel off about me because I've been trying to hide my connection to Tag, but since we're so damn close to him getting lynched, I've been put in a bad position. This is also why I'm pissed Ro roleclaimed Mason with Tolvan because now they've spent all this time going after the vigilante and me, a more or less weak power role, but a town power role nonetheless.

Youre lynching the wrong person.

 

[Requiem]

Also reading that post from Tag, I still say that he's just being shitty Town. We didn't talk that post over, despite it being necessary.

 

[Ro Ro Ro]

So, now we're left with a predicament. There was no kill from the Witches. Either that, or vig and witches hit the same person. My mind immediately went to cult.

I am relatively unfamiliar with cult. If they cult a mason, do both players get added? Are masons immune to being culted? If they only cult one player at a time, does the culted mason still get to talk with his non cult mason buddy?

Two mason groups. Fuck me. That makes me think it could be a cult even more. I just need to figure out how they cult masons.

Another thought I have is that TC was the Voice of Reason. Decultify?

I do know that cult often starts with less players than mafia. I'm guessing 2. I also know that they often only cult every other night. They could be at 3, or they could be at 3 after tonight.

Following the line of thought that a player may have been culted. Jeroth would be my suspect.

This turn of events leaves me with a lot to think on.

 

[Requiem]

Please unlynch for the moment.

 

[Easy]

On the one hand, that really is exactly how a bad Vig would have played all game. On the other hand, the fact that he only said all that after straight-up stalling in response to Ro's claim means we gotta keep in mind that he's had plenty of time to come up with a perfect fake claim, especially if the scum has day-talk.

Still, Ro's claim was a little fishy to begin with. He'd been keeping his distance from Tolvan all game up to that point, in a way that strikes me as a lot more 'scumbuddy hiding their affiliation' than 'masons hiding their affiliation'. The only thing really pushing me to buy it at all was Tag's extremely classical scum-being-claimed-on "just give me a little more time and I'll explain everything, promise" response, but that also can be explained by Tag just being a really shitty Vig. So I'm gonna Unlynch Tag, and propose a Tolvan lynch instead.

 

[Tag_Ross]

Yo Ro, why did you think I was working with Andy?

 

[Jeroth]

Great. I officially have no fucking clue what's going on in this game.

For the supposed mason/power roles between the suspected parties, please explain to me what the Witch does.

In my mind, this is was supposed to be a simple set-up of 11 players - 3 mafia, 6 vanilla townies, and maybe 2 power roles(Doctor/Sheriff).

Masons? Yeah, they're pretty popular, so I could see that. Two Masons, a Vig and a shoddy mayor-esque ability? Great.

So right now, we have a claim for Ro and Tolvan being masons. Tag and Req being Vig/Mayor/Mason-esque.

I just really have no clue what's going on this game anymore. I just know that there are two obvious sides forming and, as in any mafia game, one of them are lying.

 

[Requiem]

Or we're both telling the truth. The game is called witch hunt after all, there could be some other stuff going on that we could never guess from our limited positions. I held off on roleclaiming for as long as possible to try and avoid this situation. I'm not convinced by Ro, but I'm also not convinced that he's mafia. There could easily be a third party fucking with us and we've just been Town pointing fingers at our two subgroups for no reason.

 

[Ro Ro Ro]

Wait a second.

Firedemon, you glorious son of a bitch. If there are no witches and the Req/Tag group are the evil ones without even knowing it, this game is going to go down as my favourite game of all time.

 

[Easy]

I'm willing to rule out double Masons and cults, because that's the kind of shit there's no accounting for. Start trying to adjust for unforeseeable complications like that, and it all breaks down into just hopeful guesswork. I'd rather just play as if the game rules are within standard parameters, and then blame the GM if it all turns out wrong because of some weird, out-of-nowhere role anomaly.

More likely, one of our Mason groups is lying - let's play as such. We grab our torches and pitchforks, tie up Tolvan, throw him in the lake, and see if he floats. Maybe he's scum, and we kill Ro next. Maybe he's really a "Peaceful Pagan" after all, and we kill Req or Tag instead. The only way we don't end up at least marking two scum down is if he's both, in which case Ro is probably (but not necessarily) in the clear (but at least we still got one of them). The odds don't get any better and, though I say so myself, it's a pretty elegant solution. Especially because Tolvan's been a little fishy all game anyway.

 

[Easy]

Wait a second.

Firedemon, you glorious son of a bitch. If there are no witches and the Req/Tag group are the evil ones without even knowing it, this game is going to go down as my favourite game of all time.

A very real possibility, but that would also make this actually not a Mafia game.