I want to hear what
@AndyM03 has to say to defend himself since he hasn't said much since he unlynched Tirin.
I dunno mate, I was just trying to be helpful but all I wanna do now is be quiet. I just got really annoyed at the whole situation pretty quickly. I guess I was a bit all over the place but I tried to explain myself each time. Defending Tolvan, again, ugh, was just me following a hunch. If you think following a hunch to kill someone is better then a random kill, then by inverse you should believe following a hunch of who a townie is should be an equally fine move for the time being. That just makes a lot of sense to me and I felt like Tirin never really argued back against this logic or had anything to say about it besides calling us idiots. He kept ignoring things I had said previously -
I wouldn't stick my neck out for Tolvan right now if I had anything to do with him.
In a game with 15 people, I've needlessly stuck my neck out for someone I reckon is town,
You didn't think you were sticking your neck out at the time, and scum would have every reason to defend someone their scumbuddies 'cause duh.
Note the times these were posted. Rather then pointing out the inconsistency I just got annoyed because it seemed like he would continue to ignore arguments or comments as he did here.
He's no more "exceptionally" unlikely to be scum than anyone else, and your incorrect assertion to that effect makes me suspicious of you, as well. Either way, the chance at recovering a lot of very useful data from a lynch is a lot better than the chance of recovering fucking nothing, so unless you can provide a reasonable alternative I doubt I'm going to change my vote.
I still believe Easy and I had every right to follow a probably town hunch just as much as you have to follow any possible mafia hunch. Neither of us said that Tolvan being townie was set in stone and the really harsh retorts just felt unhelpful and ignoring of anything we were saying. What I mean by harsh retorts are the uses of certainties in a game where really, Tirin knows just as much as any of us and is going on hunches and assertions, yet continues to speak as though his beliefs are 100%. As a town, it's infuriating to read that he's not even hiding behind the use of exceptional probabilities or anything, on day 1 of all things.
Regardless of the Tolvan situation, I find it hard to believe Tirin to be scum based on this interaction. I don't think mafia, even Tirin, would try to spearhead a lynch in this way on day 1.
Part of my argument was that Tirin
could be using his brash personality to get away with leading a lynch vote. And the original Tolvan lynch wasn't even that aggressive, it got the day off to a good start, but it's just as possible it could have gotten the mafia a quick kill. I never admitted Tirin to being a bad lynch, I said I was uncertain of it, because it's day 1. I said he's just as possible to flip mafia, as anyone. Although the Lynch keyword makes me look more aggressive, I get that, I understand, I was less trying to start controversy (though I knew it would and I knew it would make me look bad) I just wanted the day to resume past the Tolvan debate because like I said, it was really aggravating me for whatever reason.
Oh it's not a good lynch, but Day 1 lynches are never perfect. I was torn between that, Whitetiger, and no lynch at all. I thought I'd take some charge and get some discussion going.
When I said this, I said it with the assumption that any lynch
at that point wouldn't be considered a good lynch today. It was not me 'admitting' I believe Tirin is more town then any of us. I could have said any name, but Tirin was the one that would get the most discussion going. Lynching a lurker felt wrong as much as I wanted to call them out on it and nobody else really felt right.