You know, this just further proved my point on why roleclaiming was alright you dingus'.
Even after I whispered those sweet, sweet nothings into your ear last night?
Honestly, I was busy that day. I had a follow-up phone interview/confirmation of employment and was focused on D&D. Shit excuse, but that's why I wasn't on the forums.
I'm not an illuminati and I'm not scum. I was granted an ability last night that let me look into a player's alignment. Salsy popped town.
Alright, then what now? The best candidates for scum, given what little information I've got, are people who didn't vote for Youma - meaning you, Salsy, Shizno, Tag ('cause he voted late), Redfrank (who's dead and flipped town anyway), and Stealthy. Discounting you and Salsy, that leaves Shizno, Tag, and Stealthy.
Salsy still isn't a bad lynch, because if he comes up scum or illuminati he'll take you down with him. However, I think that'd be a pretty dumbass risk for you to take if he's scum, considering he'd know that you're illuminati, and I doubt you're both illuminati (though can't yet discount it). I'm having a difficult time discerning who among Shizno, Tag, and Stealthy are most likely to be anti-town. However, the lack of activity and discussion from Shizno and Stealthy leads me to believe it's one of them.
Salsy still isn't a bad lynch, because if he comes up scum or illuminati he'll take you down with him. However, I think that'd be a pretty dumbass risk for you to take if he's scum, considering he'd know that you're illuminati, and I doubt you're both illuminati (though can't yet discount it). I'm having a difficult time discerning who among Shizno, Tag, and Stealthy are most likely to be anti-town. However, the lack of activity and discussion from Shizno and Stealthy leads me to believe it's one of them.
I'd also like to point out that illumati may want that mad town cred from being among the first to lynch the mafia. They may want to keep 1 mafia alive so nightkills still happen, but I'm sure they didn't mind taking out one of them day 1 after he fucked up and drew attention to himself. I thought it was quite weird that the lynch escalated so quickly after one comment. That's why I truth serum'd Rondait. I figured he is usually a bit more hesitant or unsure of lynches but jumped on the Youma lynch immediately and was 100% sure. While there are obviously mostly town there, I think it's a great place to look for the illuminati.
But yeah, if we just want to wipe out the mafia today, looking outside the lynch is definitely the place to look.
But yeah, if we just want to wipe out the mafia today, looking outside the lynch is definitely the place to look.
My victory condition is wiping out the mafia, but it mentions nothing about illuminati. This makes a successful mafia lynch a win for the town (provided that this was written as intended; it's the same as in the opening post).
Pally/Ro, can you clarify if town needs to wipe out mafia and illuminati to win, or just mafia?
Pally/Ro, can you clarify if town needs to wipe out mafia and illuminati to win, or just mafia?
How many people told you "don't kill yourself" last night?
So before I share my thoughts on the proposed Salsy lynch (and some other things), since this relevant (sorta, I'll explain why I feel this isn't really 100% relevant to this lynch after), I'd like clarification or refusal to clarify from Ro/Pally/someone; when you say "perfect information" for the Illuminati, what precisely is "perfect information"? As in, do you mean to say that they know what every role is and who has it, or do you mean something else by it?
Exactly zero. I got two jokes and some encouragement from Rondait.
You were getting upset bro. Hockey man just wanted you to calm down.
I understand, but don't forget to take into consideration the last few lynches of Youma. If push comes to shove, a scum will bus his partner to make certain that they aren't seen as suspicious.
For reasons that I explained, I know that Salsy is town and I know that I'm town. So as you said, it leaves Shizno, Tag and Stealthy. I'll read through the game to figure out my opinion on each of them.
You know what, our Vic Con isn't too kill all anti town, only the Mafia, we don't have to give a shit about the Illuminati, as long as we kill the lone scum.
And it's already been pointed out while I was afk.
And it's already been pointed out while I was afk.
I would also like to add Rondait who was jumping around like crazy, and firedemon, who could have hammered once it appeared his scum buddy wasn't getting out alive.
GODDAMIT, I SHOULD REALLY TRY TO REMEMBER THIS SHIT MORE
You're implying that 'lynching Rondait' isn't a good enough reason by itself. Oh and believe it or not, Salsy's lynch on you (and Firedemon) actually had nothing to do with it. I just don't like how you were jumping around, as Tag put it. I'd also like to pointlessly mention that just because someone joined in on the lynch on Youma doesn't mean they're innocent. Throwing your scum buddy under the bus - especially if you're early in the lynch - is a great way to get on the good side of the town.
There were 3 hours left on the clock. I easily could have just waited and hoped no one hammered. Which you could have done too (I'm assuming you were trying to post at the same time as me to hammer, not intentionally posting after to seem like you were hammering) so I'm not too suspicious that you're the other mafia.
So, since Pally has clarified the "perfect information" as purely alignment info, I can now confirm that Whitetiger and Jeroth are either Illuminati or foolish for revealing what they do to the Illuminati for recruitment or the mafia for nightkills. Two essentially investigative roles; great targets for denying the town info. Whitetiger, WHY WOULD YOU OUT YOURSELF TO VERIFY THE INNOCENCE OF SOMEONE WHO ISN'T BEING CONSIDERED FOR A LYNCH?!?! Or, of course, the Illuminati could recruit Tim, Rondait, or Salsy tomorrow since we know they aren't mafia. Which means WT and Jeroth have basically revealed themselves for little to nothing, since we can't even be sure they're still town after tonight. Though, assuming we believe ALL of this, and assuming the Illuminati does recruit one of them tonight, there's an 80% chance for any one of them to be town still. Or the Illuminati does whatever they feel like doing. Meh. Stupid cults.
I did miss the Jeroth claim for Salsy, so I'm now reconsidering the Salsy lynch. I still want to policy lynch him because of burning hatred of early game role claims, but since thinking he's mafia requires me to make a call on Jeroth, I'll hold off on that because I'm not really sure what to think of that.
I'm gonna think this over and get back to you later tonight. It's spring break for me, so I should be a lot more available this week.