Ended The Great War - Mafia 1917 [SCUM WIN]

Easy

Right Honorable Justice
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Yeah, even if you tracked him to somebody who didn't die (i.e. anybody, in this case), that wouldn't be confirming anything...
 

Tag_Ross

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Lynch Tag Ross for his U-boat trash and talk of seeing "surface-level" patterns. Also, the Entente was UK, France, and Russia. Also that quote absolutely does not apply here, the Russians got fucking totally bodied in WW1.
Russians wouldn't need to supply the Russians so they don't matter to who the Etente is, and of course they got bodied, hence the Russian blood.

Couple of things. First of all, I can confirm that Tirin is town or at the very least not scum.

Secondly, what the hell does this mean?

Is he saying that he's some country not commonly associated with WWI? Or is he trying to claim he's not a country at all? This behavior is pretty suspicious, but not enough for a lynch from me yet.
Oh look at that the guy who was being pretty scummy day 1 is accusing the guy who pointed that out of being suspicious and claiming the other guy who is going after said "suspect" is "confirmed anti scum" and we just lost a cop, so you're gonna need a pretty good explanation for that.

And for the fuck's sake, Null was the UK, I was trying to get the UK's attention so he could say something that wasn't fucking obvious, instead FD pointed out my ship talk saying I'm soft claiming UK, you guys ate that shit up. Null died, proving I wasn't UK and wasting all my work trying to convince UK to say something "subtle" so we wouldn't have to waste our night abilities.
 

Colonel Thunder

Renowned Blunderer & Dishonorary Czech
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Is he saying that he's some country not commonly associated with WWI? Or is he trying to claim he's not a country at all?
I think he's making, as Tirin put it, U-boat trash talk.

Tag, why exactly were you trying to make hints to Null? They didn't seem very specific to him. Did you know on Day 1 that Null was the UK?

EDIT: Wait a second guys, re-read Null's role and Tag's post above. I think we know who he's claiming to be now without saying it out-right.
 

Easy

Right Honorable Justice
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That does actually check out pretty well with a running theme of naval support, 'discreet' communications, and overambitious Tag Ross plays.
 

Anatronman

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If this claim is legit, it only makes me more curious about what Chicken is hinting at.
 

Easy

Right Honorable Justice
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I'm inclined to believe it myself, largely because that wouldn't even be bad play on Tag's part if the claim is true. Overambitious, sure, but actually about as good an attempt at it as anyone could have been expected to make in the circumstances. Not his fault Null dropped the ball so hard at his end.
 

Tag_Ross

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Tag, why exactly were you trying to make hints to Null? They didn't seem very specific to him. Did you know on Day 1 that Null was the UK?
I wasn't aiming for Null(or are in particular) I was just throwing out there, the scum already know I'm not with them so the only people who could gain information is the town. I was hoping the UK (who was null) would have picked up on the not so subtle hint and disguised their own hint
so we wouldn't have to waste our night abilities.
I think we know who he's claiming to be now without saying it out-right.
Stop trying to guess my role from the knowledge we have in the open, you're just going to get another Townie to counterclaim a role that I haven't claimed and that'll go piss poor for the town.
 

Colonel Thunder

Renowned Blunderer & Dishonorary Czech
Member
Stop trying to guess my role from the knowledge we have in the open, you're just going to get another Townie to counterclaim a role that I haven't claimed and that'll go piss poor for the town.
For the record, I'm not really following this train of thought but I'll drop the matter for now.
 

Easy

Right Honorable Justice
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The train of thought is: he's not claiming Japan, so it's only gonna get messier than it's been if actual Japan assumes he's doing so, and counter claims him.

Question is: if he's some other nation that has a special interaction with UK, e.g. Australia or Canada maybe, then why isn't there any reference to such an interaction in the Null reveal post, when Japan was clearly singled out more than once?

Then again, I have a lot of particular reason to believe that there are special interactions in the game that are referenced in one nation's role PM, and not at all in the other's.
 

Anatronman

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Could be a one way condition, could be redacted, could be a runback of a fake claim that went too far.
 

Easy

Right Honorable Justice
Member
Yes. Could be any of those things.

So. Now that we've more or less established where we actually stand with Tag Ross for now... how 'bout that Chickenspleen, though? I gotta say, dude was buddying up pretty hard on me once I started advocating Null over himself, for mostly (then) the same reasons as he was getting lynched. Gotta wonder if he's just trying to do the same for Tirin now...

I mean, it did seem like it was working on me, didn't it?
 

Chickenspleen

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I'd like to refute the idea that I was deliberately siding with Easy to save my own ass. I had no real information about anyone's roles at that point and he seemed among the least suspicious to me. I'll admit that my opinion was partially swayed by the fact that while I was about half an hour into my overly long and overly useless analysis post I discovered that Easy had already made a "masterpost" that said things I was planning on saying and made my job just a bit easier. Because of that, I can see why it would look like I was being overly congratulatory toward him.

That was yesterday, when I only had my own gut to tell me what side everybody was on. Today I've actually got information to work with. I know Tirin was targeted last night, so I'm pretty sure he's not mafia.
 

Tag_Ross

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Or he could be scum who got roleblocked, hence the lack of night kills. That doesn't help clear Tirin at all.
 

Tirin

God-Emperor of Tealkind
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Tag's right, that doesn't hold at all. I could've been roleblocked, bussed(?), doctored, or... anything, really. Without knowing who targeted me and/or their role, there's nothing to go on. Shit, for all you know I targeted myself (I didn't).
 

Colonel Thunder

Renowned Blunderer & Dishonorary Czech
Member
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fact that Tirin was targeted doesn't mean anything without further information. If whoever targeted Tirin wanted to come clean that would possibly be helpful information, but it's pretty early in the Day to start handing out free role info to scum.
 

Tirin

God-Emperor of Tealkind
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fact that Tirin was targeted doesn't mean anything without further information. If whoever targeted Tirin wanted to come clean that would possibly be helpful information, but it's pretty early in the Day to start handing out free role info to scum.
Did you not read the two posts right above this?

Lynch Tag Ross harder, by the way. I still think he might be on that U-boat train, and pointing out that that doesn't confirm me (which is terribly obvious anyway) does nothing to make me think he's more or less scummy.
 

Easy

Right Honorable Justice
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Probably Swiss, actually.
 

Anatronman

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So somebody other than Tirin has a move.

Cool.

I'd like to hear from @Jeroth before I get into any heavy analysis.
 
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