Ended Witch Hunt (Mafia) (Game End, Partial Town Victory)

Shadow

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Shadow should play this game.
That being said, i'm 69% sure i've got more posts than Shadow so i'm all good.
Shadow - Lurking.
I also want to see what Shadow has to say about this.
You guys suck.

*sigh*

Mmkay, here are my thoughts on everyone:

Shadow - Town, duh.
Coolpool - Feels like inexperienced town.
Easy - Gonna go with town. If he's mafia, then he fooled me and he's a fucking genius.
Tag Ross - Is playing mostly from his phone or something and hasn't participated much. I have no thoughts on him right now.


Ro and Tolvan: Okay, first of all, here's the thing about Ro3. Y'know how Ro3's playing right now? That's ... that's just Ro3. Not just in this game. Not just in mafia. That's just Ro3 in general. That's just how he functions as a person. Trust me, I play a lot of League with that furry motherfucker. This is just how Ro3 is. If Ro3 wasn't playing like this, then there'd be a problem. You guys are just going to have to believe me here. Secondly, Ro3 is not a dumb mafia player. He actually plays mafia a lot more than we do (on a different site, naturally). I don't think he'd be dumb enough to claim mason with his scumbuddy like Jeroth is suggesting, knowing that he would implicate Tolvan if he got lynched and flipped mafia. Honestly, if they were a scum team, a better idea would have been for Tolvan to refute the mason claim and lynch Ro3 to make himself look innocent, but I don't think Tolvan is experienced enough at this game to pull off a play like that, and Ro3 wasn't under heavy enough fire at the time of the roleclaim for that play to even be necessary. I just ... I can't see either of them as scum. If they are, then Ro3 is a genius and Tolvan is better at this game than I'm giving him credit for.

Req - Feels a little off to me. I remember that one game that we played as a scum team (and I'm sad that the game thread no longer exists because I can't go back and check), where he basically just sat around and made his usual, long-winded posts, but didn't really commit to anything or contribute to the discussion in terms of what direction the town should go like he normally does, then waited for the town to decide who they wanted to lynch and just followed along. He's sorta doing that this game, both last day phase, and now here with Ro3. That said, he seems to be busy with IRL shit, and he may not have the time and/or energy to invest himself in the game, but ... ehh, I don't know, shit feels weird. Just thought I'd write this down in case I die.

Andy - Speaking of that game I played with Req as a scum team, because Andy said another thing that reminds me of that game, when he was talking about the mafia being dumb for killing TC last night when the town was all but going to lynch him today. Well, Req and I did exactly that the whole game, where we purposely killed off all of the prime targets each night just to fuck with town and confuse the hell out of them (I remember we made LM really mad, it was hilarious). I know this is a bit of a weak argument, but ... I don't know, but the fact that Andy pointed that out just feels scummy to me. It's like he's saying "hey guys, wow, the mafia sure is dumb for killing somebody that was probably going to get killed, what ever will we do now? **le trick face**" That said, I also acknowledge the strong possibility that he could be an innocent townie who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and just said what was fairly obvious. I'll be honest, I'm not really sure what to think of Andy yet, partly because he hasn't said much, and partly because I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about Req.

Jeroth - Lynched Ro3 because he felt that Ro3 was acting scummy (and then a bunch of numbers and crap). He's basically saying "hey guys, look at that guy jumping around and waving his arms in the air, he's acting weird, let's lynch him" and trying to push the town towards the rather obvious kill. The only problem is that the way Ro3 is playing is how he normally plays, so when you look at this from my perspective, as a person who knows Ro3 is in general, this looks rather scummy. It looks like Jeroth is trying to use what Ro3 said and manufacture an argument against him, which is, like, exactly what scum does. And by all other accounts, Jeroth would probably have a legitimate case, but in this instance, I don't like it. Now, I completely understand that Ro3 could actually be scum and is banking on me blindly trusting him, but like I said earlier, Ro3 is either town, or he's a genius.

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TL;DR - I believe Ro3 and Tolvan. Currently, I'm assuming a Jeroth/Req scum team, with either Andy or Tag Ross as the possible third scum.


 

Requiem

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I'm not posting in order to defend myself, what you've said makes plenty of sense and I won't lie, you're not wrong. It's mostly IRL stuff that's got me playing the way I am, but I'd like to point out that my IRL stuff preventing me from posting over the weekend wasn't stopping everyone else from posting. There was a bit of inactivity all around over the weekend. Once I made the post I said I was going to make on Monday, things started to pick up a bit. That's not me saying because I posted we got active again, it's just that things picked up around the time of me posting. Since that post very late last night, less than 24 hours ago, I've posted once or twice in response to a few things. I'm not going out of my way to make hard lynches, no, and while it's an easy cop out answer that fits to exactly what you said, the truth is the IRL stuff is keeping me from focusing on the game with all of my attention.

Though to be fair, the biggest thing happening right now, Ro and Tag, I've remarked upon. Beyond that, what else is there to discuss? Technically there's Jeroth's saying that Andy might be scum, and then there's Easy unlynching Tolvan after Tag asked Tolvan if Ro was scum. Beyond those other moments, what is there for me specifically to remark on?

If you want me to make a hard stance, then I will. I don't agree with what Ro is saying about Tag, I don't think we should lynch Tag. I would lynch Ro right now, but considering how substantial your post was after posting finally after days of not doing so, I'm not exactly sure about doing that. Most of us here don't know Ro very well, you do. You have a very specific personal view of how Ro is and how he acts. You have inside knowledge, essentially. The same way I can say I know how TC or Easy, for example, play mafia, that's what you can say, better than anyone else here. Without your input until now (which is what I was looking for by asking for everyone to post and get discussion going), there's not much else I could say on Ro besides what I already have.

So you see Ro as doing what Ro does, that things aren't out of the ordinary for him. That is actually crucial information that we could have used sooner. I still don't agree with him about Tag, I find Tag to just be shitty town, but it's at least comforting to know that we might have more assurance that Ro is Town beyond his or Tolvan's own words. I'm still not convinced, but I'm at least leaning less heavily towards wanting to lynch him. I can't say I won't vote to do so, but I'm still willing to hear options.

We need to consider how people are lynching as well. The main lynch votes are coming from the key players who are doing the accusing here. Ro and Tolvan are teaming together against Tag, making a total of 2 votes to Tag; Jeroth and Andy are lynching Ro, leaving two lynch votes to him. That's still over half of the remaining players in this game being undecided or wanting to wait for more discussion. Taking my vote out of that for the sake of making a point, that's 5 players, including you, who have not voted to lynch anyone. I'm assuming they're unsure like I am. There's no reason we have to rush anything considering we have until Sunday. We've gotten a lot of discussion done and I'm not convinced either way to vote for Ro or for Tag.

I know I said I wasn't posting in order to defend myself. I'm sure this post will look like the opposite, unfortunately. All I want as a player is more discussion so we can figure things out. I don't make hasty lynch votes for the sake of pushing the rounds through the day. I like this discussion stuff, it's my favorite part of the game, but once I feel I'm convinced enough, I'll make a lynch. You can suggest I'm just making big posts and going along with what other people are saying all you want, but if that were the case, I'd just accept an easy lynch of Tag and call it a night. I might even choose to go with the harder lynch of Ro and just talk down everything he's saying and try to convince others to vote for him. I haven't done either of those things because I'm convinced tag is just shitty Town and that Ro is misguided. I'm not convinced he's town, but I'm not convinced he's scum either.

Shit, long post. Anyways, tl;dr: convince me, anyone, that I should vote to kill who you want me to. So far, no one has and I'm not going to play any differently to try and make it look like I'm not just going with the flow and letting the game happen without any input from me. If that's what I look like, fine. I'm going to play how I need to to make sure the threat to the Town is dealt with properly.
 

Tag_Ross

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Shadow

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long post
I will admit that the majority of my argument against you is entirely a gut feeling based on how shit played out in a game that happened like two years ago. And it wasn't so much the frequency of your posting in this game, it was that, when you did post, your posts didn't have that 'Req' quality to them that they normally do, and I was immediately reminded of that time.

Also, for the record, while I am sticking my neck out a bit to defend Ro3, I don't entirely agree with justification for lynching Tag. At least not yet. I want Tag to say words first.


his name starts with "L"
But your name is Tag Ross. That doesn't start with an L.

Unless you're talking about the Mexican spelling...

Los Tag Ross?
 

Firedemon

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I was really tempted to hide comments in that 78 fucking pages revealing key pieces of information just to see if anyone would read it and find them.

Or maybe I did? Guess you guys will have to read it and find out.

loljk or am i?
 

Shadow

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I'm also sad that the game thread got deleted when the site moved.

I'm pretty sure that was the game where I called Rondait a two-dollar hooker.


implying anyone would pay two dollars to fuck rondait
 

Requiem

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That was the game where Rondait figured out everything early in the game, but we convinced him he was wrong because he was new.

That one felt really good.
 

Jeroth

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Damn, the thread got derailed hard.

I read over what mostly everyone posted, but I just got done a binge on Guns of Icarus with @Easy and I'm exhausted. I'll post tomorrow. For now, go pick up the game. It's $3 and you can work with three others as a crew on an airship. It's fantastic.
 

AndyM03

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Andy - Speaking of that game I played with Req as a scum team, because Andy said another thing that reminds me of that game, when he was talking about the mafia being dumb for killing TC last night when the town was all but going to lynch him today. Well, Req and I did exactly that the whole game, where we purposely killed off all of the prime targets each night just to fuck with town and confuse the hell out of them (I remember we made LM really mad, it was hilarious). I know this is a bit of a weak argument, but ... I don't know, but the fact that Andy pointed that out just feels scummy to me.
Yeah sorry man. I said it was dumb initially, and then after the lull in activity I realised what a good play it was. My argument for it initially was that since we were probably going to lynch Thunder the next day, statistically it would help the town. Instead it killed all our leads and lead to that silence. I was dumbfounded and really had nothing to say or fingers to point, so I sorta died with everyone else. I never corrected myself, so this looks a bit bad, but I retract my point about the mafia being inexperienced. This is kinda why I said Jeroth is scaring me a bit, just 'cause he's kept a real level head and used a good combination of math and social observation. I like your point on Req and honestly i'm kinda willing to trust you on how the mafia might be playing this game. This also puts you yourself on a potential lynch for me, ironically, assuming that you're making a risky play to get people to trust you by revealing tactics you could literally be using right now. Or maybe that's stupid. This is my first game in yonks, so apologies to all.
Unlynch Ro Ro Ro
(And sorry, I thought this was fitting)
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