Ended Witch Hunt (Mafia) (Game End, Partial Town Victory)

[Requiem]

I'm not sure what happens if Tag dies. To keep things in focus, we've only had one night phase. We don't know what happened last night besides our Nightkill of TC being successful. Or, to put it better, it just didn't fail. There could be two kills, maybe, could be a role blocker.

What we do know as of now is that me and Tag have the abilities we mentioned and that Ro and Tolvan are probably most likely Masons like they say.

As for lynching someone, I'm willing to lynch Andy. That said, the dude's in a wacky timezone, he might be asleep right now and unable to make a post defending himself. That almost happened with Tag, but he posted in time.

I'm not defending Andy, but since we have until Sunday, we can at least be courteous enough to give him the chance to post before we fuck him over right?

 

[Jeroth]

I'm not defending Andy, but since we have until Sunday, we can at least be courteous enough to give him the chance to post before we fuck him over right?

I'm willing to agree with that. I'm still suspicious, but we should offer the kindness.

 

[coolpool2]

I'm not sure what happens if Tag dies. To keep things in focus, we've only had one night phase. We don't know what happened last night besides our Nightkill of TC being successful. Or, to put it better, it just didn't fail. There could be two kills, maybe, could be a role blocker.

What we do know as of now is that me and Tag have the abilities we mentioned and that Ro and Tolvan are probably most likely Masons like they say.

As for lynching someone, I'm willing to lynch Andy. That said, the dude's in a wacky timezone, he might be asleep right now and unable to make a post defending himself. That almost happened with Tag, but he posted in time.

I'm not defending Andy, but since we have until Sunday, we can at least be courteous enough to give him the chance to post before we fuck him over right?

That's why I haven't lynched yet. Still got some time left.

 

[Shadow]

You guys have pretty much said everything that I would have said, so I'm gonna be lazy and burn through this post real fast.

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Seeing as Firedemon has already alluded to that cop game multiple times, and the fact that he said there would be a twist in this game, I wouldn't be surprised if he created two town-aligned mason groups just so that he can laugh hysterically when we inevitably start running around in circles like morons. Also, all four 'masons' used very specific names when roleclaiming (Peaceful Pagan, Puritanical Priest), and I doubt that any of them would be able artificially create role names that fit the flavor of the game like that, so I'm gonna believe they're all town.

The only possible explanations for a single kill last night are:
1) Both kills hit the same target
2) The mafia kill was blocked in some way
3) The mafia didn't kill (which is dumb, so I doubt it)
4) This is some kind of bastard ass game that's going to get Firedemon punched in the spleen when it's over

I am willing to lynch Andy. When I called him out on his "gee, the mafia must be dumb for killing TC when he was a sure D2 lynch" comment, he immediately backed off, then jumped onto my suspicions of Req and Jeroth, and all he's done since is jump on and off of whatever the most recent bandwagon is like Jeroth pointed out.

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I realize that this post sounds like shit. I've been at work all day and I'm tired. Sue me.

 

[Requiem]

Your post sounds fine, don't be a dick to yourself.

 

[AndyM03]

Shit boys i've got a driving lesson in like 20 minutes and then i'm out for the day. My only real defense is that i've been trying to play with nothing to hide. I haven't been lurking, I don't really have much affiliation besides nodding my head along to Jeroth a lot, 'cause you gotta appreciate a man spewing statistics. That being said i've always said my mind. If I've made mistakes, which I guess it does look like I have, try and take it like this. This isn't my first rodeo, and although it's been awhile I still know what's up for the most part. I've apologised for small inexperienced moves on account for being rusty but for the most part I know what i'm doing. If I was anything other than the vanilla townie I am, I'd have been playing a lot more carefully. My first aggressions were in the first day against Chicken, 'cause I'm pretty sure in Maretocks' Mario Mafia when I was mafia, I pulled some RNG shit to try and lynch the town. Wasn't the best move but It didn't turn so against me that time. This is something, again, I should have pointed out, but It was so long ago I only really recalled it when we used the wayback machine to look at that past mafia game (of which I wasn't even apart of). I've tried to play it cool with the suspected lynch, I thought jumping the gun writing a big defense might look scummy. Maybe this assumption was wrong? The worst part about this game, (or the best part really) Is that one action can be inferred to have two totally different meanings. Chicken's RNG was just getting the game moving, or was he a mafia trying to get an easy lynch? Well now we know the answer. (Sorry mate)

I've pointed out a few of my own mistakes, and despite Jeroth considering me bandwagony, which I don't think i've been that bad with but hey I dunno, I feel like y'all are getting real mad real quick. I haven't even been given the courtesy of same mad analysis of my play throughout the game. Ironically I again am agreeing with Jeroth (fuck me doesn't look particularly good) but Ro's last post was definitely solid for me too. Except for the lynching me part. Rude of him. Letting who we lynch today give Tag some info seems like a good play, but that being said this game is definitely confusing role wise, so it's still risky in a way letting him live. But traditionally, we should let him live (obviously), which I guess is the safest way to go.

Like two people having posted while i'm writing this, so i'm gonna make this longer at the risk of losing any consistency I may have had.
You can talk some smack about me swapping around all you want, but i've always spoke my mind and have just done what i've done. Since the beginning, as I said before, I just tried to play with nothing to hide. I was open about swapping bandwagons and agreeing with people, because when I turn up vanilla town, my mind and thoughts will all be there to be discussed anyway. Not that I particularly have had any great insights, but I've tried my best. Like on Day 1 when Tolvan didn't want to lynch anyone after agreeing with Jeroth's post stating that we should definitely lynch on day 1. I called him out on it. We don't really have many more lurkers any more, but i've been in it since the beginning trying to build trust by being lax. If you don't reckon i'm town, alright, I don't have any powers so I can't give any dying breath of wisdom. Still don't lynch me though, (shit cunts), 'cause I'm not gonna roll over like Chicken did. Like I said, lynching yourself when you're a town, stupid move. I think I called him out on that too. If you guys wanna comb through my stuff, please do, take some time, 'cause I dunno what else to say other than I'm vanilla ice cream baby. With me, jeroth and Easy being the only claimed vanilla townies, this game is definitely weird as.

 

[Firedemon]

5 to lynch
Andy*: 3 (Ro Ro Ro, Tolvan, Jeroth)
Ro Ro Ro: 1 (Tag)

Day will end at 11:59 pm US Central, Sunday.

 

[AndyM03]

Ah double post i'm gonna remind people on Value plays, which is all I've sorta cared about in this early stage of the game (It's still early, right?). What do you get out of lynching me? I don't really have any connections to anyone. Even though I've agreed with everything and all the claims for the moment, in my mind I'm still waiting for the next day to see some deaths to get a better idea of who could be lying and what not.
Like it clears the air I guess, but nah. I think for this day at least, kill someone who will actually effect the game. Even trying to take myself out of it a bit I dunno what your next target will be tomorrow with what we've learnt today. Like I sort of did when I was on the chopping block for the next days, when I was apart of a supposed *group* but not now, It's come quickly and although not out of nowhere, I think it's come out of a rash mindset to lynch me. I don't like it. We're on 3 and at any point Req (And does the other guy have it too?) Can kill me at this point. And I didn't even get to reply before you got to that point. Again, I don't like it. THAT'S Fishy, that's my first real analysis of the day aha.

 

[Tolvan]

...So, I don't really have much to back this up, other than a gut feeling and him seeming a little TOO clueless, but Soft FoS Coolpool.

 

[coolpool2]

...So, I don't really have much to back this up, other than a gut feeling and him seeming a little TOO clueless, but Soft FoS Coolpool.

I'm not surprised honestly.

 

[Easy]

Req, you're failing to realize one key thing.

This is why I suggest lynching another player today, before nightkilling me, rather than the other way around, so that Tag can make a proper decision on who to hit based on the alignment of the other player's flip.

And now you're forgetting one key thing.

 

[Requiem]

So, people want to make posts? Do Andy's posts change anything? Anyone want to agree for or against what he's saying?

If not, we just need two votes. You all know my position and I'm willing to go with Ro's plan, so I'm ready to lynch him now. Just want to see the courtesy bit to its end. If no one else has anything to say, we can move onto the night phase.

 

[AndyM03]

So it doesn't change anything for you either req?
I trusted you bruv. You brought me back to these forums just to lynch me?
Yeah but I dunno what else to say now so hopefully I at least trigger discussion
By the way earlier ro was saying that the game was solved and we shouldn't talk anymore, will be awkward when I turn up town

 

[Requiem]

My hands are tied. The only solid info I have is that me and Tag are Town, power roles at that. I'm not willing to risk one of us. I think you're town, but I don't know that you're town, same as I don't know if anyone else is Town. Lynching you is the same as lynching anyone else, in my eyes. We stand to learn something about the game from lynching you the same as we would from lynching Jeroth or Coolpool or Shadow. If it's not you, it's one of them. I'm more keen on you or Jeroth honestly, but it is what it is.

 

[Firedemon]

5 to lynch
Andy*: 3 (Ro Ro Ro, Tolvan, Jeroth)
Ro Ro Ro: 1 (Tag)

Day will end at 11:59 pm US Central, Sunday.

 

[AndyM03]

So, it's day 2. Time for my ever amazing lynch of a person who I can give the ro3 guarantee: this person is mafia scum.

Lynch Tag Ross

Him and Jeroth are very naughty. They haven't been playing this game using their emotions. As of yet, Tag Ross has not made a statement that wasn't backed up by fact. In other words, he is only saying whatever is already known in the game. For example,

Jeroth lynch tomorrow.
I'm satisfied with day 2. It can end now.

I don't need to go too in depth with this one. We've already dissected that a lot of Ro has said is bad for the town, aggressively trying to end the day. Shadow is the only thing keeping him afloat. Jeroth tore him apart pretty well, but as did others.

You want the days to end quickly and instead of looking over the past days with the insight of Chickenspleen and TC being town, you're already accusing people.

I'm happy to lynch Ro Ro, but I feel guilty not saying or doing much. This day has really thrown me off. That being said, i'm 69% sure i've got more posts than Shadow so i'm all good.
Lynch Ro Ro Ro
And come on man, i'm not that angry.
I'm just Australian.

Arguments against for my quick lynch on Ro need to remember the MASSIVE lull in activity we had for this day, and that we were getting nowhere. I support Jeroth's arguments, which makes his next post really weird.

Fantastic. Now that I have the response that I needed, I could finalize that chart.
To briefly explain my bizarre play style:
No mafia in their right mind would blatantly oppose Ro. It'd be suicide.

But we all agreed his points were pretty bad and overall bad for the town?
This was Jeroth's weirdest post in this entire game. I've never seen someone cut someone else's arguments down so well, only to go "It was just a prank bro." Nobody was particularly thrilled with Ro's analysis, meaning going against it was hardly pro town or pro mafia. Going against it was pretty neutral from both perspectives, 'cause Ro was saying some dumb shit. (No offence man). It was so easy to tear apart the argument honestly I think the mafia WOULD have opposed it. You can say i'm bullshit, but If Jeroth hadn't already posted I would have replied to Ro specifically hammering for being so sure of himself and wanting to end the day quickly. It's just weird behaviour. Only later did Shadow come in to defend him.
Honestly, I think the mafia rolls like this
Coolpool/Jeroth
Shadow
Ro/Jeroth
That being said, Jeroth being mafia would super surprise me. It's just him throwing away his previous totally solid arguments that strikes me as fuckin' weird. As if someone else in the mafia had to yell at him to change his playstyle 'cause his control of the discussion was leading somewhere the rest of the mafia didn't want it to go. (Assuming they can talk in the day, like Req argued for)

I may double post soon, the forum was down and i'm just trying to get this reply in

 

[AndyM03]

I am willing to lynch Andy. When I called him out on his "gee, the mafia must be dumb for killing TC when he was a sure D2 lynch" comment, he immediately backed off, then jumped onto my suspicions of Req and Jeroth, and all he's done since is jump on and off of whatever the most recent bandwagon is like Jeroth pointed out.

My post saying it was dumb was right as the day started, as I try to participate in the games as much as possible, unlike some others. Not throwing shade, but that's how I've been claiming to play and it's how i've been doing it. You can call my retraction after you called it out scummy, but really It was myself not bothering to point out the obvious. I like to discuss, but as you can see until now i've never really been the mass analysis type. I try to go person by person. So when the lull hit, I didn't begin discussion, but jumped right into it once it begun again. By the time you pointed it out I had already changed my mind, but rather I felt it unnecessary to point out the obvious, I thought the silence did the job for me. If I really was mafia, Killed TC, and called out the mafia for being stupid and didn't re-start the conversation myself, well that would be right stupid, because I would be proving myself wrong, which brings us to the situation i'm in right now. Instead I let the silence go with my statement in tact there. If I really was a mafia, I wouldn't let that slide, 'cause like I would actually have a plan of action and probably be way more careful than to do that.

Oh and I reckon Easy is Town. He's just been pretty chill, like i've been trying to be at least, but he's done a much better job of it. He's been bold too, but in good way I reckon. If he was mafia I would be really impressed with him.

 

[Jeroth]

This was Jeroth's weirdest post in this entire game.I've never seen someone cut someone else's arguments down so well, only to go "It was just a prank bro." Nobody was particularly thrilled with Ro's analysis, meaning going against it was hardly pro town or pro mafia. Going against it was pretty neutral from both perspectives, 'cause Ro was saying some dumb shit. (No offence man). It was so easy to tear apart the argument honestly I think the mafia WOULD have opposed it. You can say i'm bullshit, but If Jeroth hadn't already posted I would have replied to Ro specifically hammering for being so sure of himself and wanting to end the day quickly. It's just weird behaviour. Only later did Shadow come in to defend him.

I was waiting for someone to mention that it'd be akin to: "It's just a prank, bro."

No mafia in their right mind would blatantly oppose Ro. It'd be suicide. With all the analyzation that he's done, it's fair to say that he's the leader of the town. If a mafia member opposed him, it's too risky for him to defend against him. So I chose to be the voice of opposition to generate discussion and reads. I bundled together an argument that made sense and shook the tree to cause more discourse - and hey! Take a look, we got a lot more posts and the lines in the sand are drawn.

Nowhere in that post did I say he was 100% town. I said that he was a leader of the town, which is possible even if he's scum. He's leading the discussion and the town pounced with him as seen in Day 1.

While it does make me seem understandably insane to suddenly pull back from Ro, it was for a solid reason. Even with all the weird roles that are going on, there are vanilla towns that exist in this game. I know, because apparently I'm one of the few that doesn't get a bizarre role like Ro, Req, Tolvan, or Tag (allegedly).

So, I did my best to draw a line in the sand to prepare them.

-Jeroth - Town. Accused by Ro as Scum.
-Coolpool - Lurking.
-Easy - Softclaimed Town. Supported by Ro.
-Tag Ross - Scum Group #1 - Accused by Ro
-Andy - Scum Group #1 - Accused by Ro
-Req - Lurking.
-Ro Ro Ro - Mason / Scum Group #2
-Tolvan - Mason / Scum Group #2
-Shadow - Scum Group #2

In the event that I die, I wanted to have the town have leads to pursue. A cheat sheet, if you will.

If Ro died and turned out to be scum, they'd know what breadcrumbs to follow. If Ro turned out to be town, I wanted them to have leads besides "Tag and Andy." I wanted to find that third scum, which I thought would be Req.

What I didn't account for about four days ago was the bizarre nature of this game with two potential mason groups, thus why I've thrown my hands up in the air.

From what I can tell the current move will be the following:

Lynch an unknown factor.
Tag will allegedly nightkill Tolvan/Ro. If Ro/Tolvan flips out mafia, we know to lynch the other. If they flip town, we know to protect the other mason.
In that case, we'll try to lynch Tag or Req. If they pull up town, then we beat the hell out of @Firedemon for creating this bizarre game.

 

[Shadow]

'Kay, time for final thoughts:

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Shadow - I am Town. More specifically, I am Vanilla Town. No more, no less. That is all I have to say.

Easy - Still going with town. Although this may change depending on who is still alive tomorrow.

Coolpool - Is not mafia. I don't think he's experienced enough at this game to be mafia without slipping up in some obvious fashion. If he is mafia, he's either better at this game than I'm giving him credit for, or he's paired with somebody experienced who is pulling all the strings behind the scenes, and if the latter were the case, I feel like his posts would feel fake and manufactured, but I don't get that vibe from him. He feels like inexperienced town. That said, I'm willing to change this depending on who is still alive tomorrow.

The Masons - All town. Both groups used very specific role names that fit the flavor of the game when roleclaiming, and I doubt any of them would be able to come up with those names on their own. Also, Firedemon is a bastard, and I wouldn't be surprised if he put two town-aligned mason groups in the game for his own amusement. I'm willing to bank on that.

Jeroth - Leaning towards mafia. I will admit that he's somewhat victimized by process of elimination here, because I've called everyone else town so far, but this is subject to change depending on who is left tomorrow.

Andy - Again, victimized by process of elimination, but I feel that his posts are more scummy than Jeroth's. I would go into more detail about this, but I'm tired and I've had a migraine headache for like three days now. I've spent like an hour writing this post and I'm out of steam. Sorry mate, dingoes ate your shirmp on the barbie or some shit like that.

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TL;DR - Andy is the most suspicious. Everyone's status is subject to change depending on who is left alive tomorrow. Also, Firedemon is a fag (and a terrorist).

Lynch Andy

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Wake me up when September ends.

 

[AndyM03]

Yeah, I reckon Shadow's mafia. Maybe Ro isn't mafia, just y'know, weird, and thing is he may actually be town. Shadow turning up mafia would incriminate Ro 'cause of their association, but I reckon a twist is going on and Shadow's just being smart. Ro's probably town and if Ro goes down as Town with Shadow defending him, Shadow looks good. If Shadow goes down and is mafia, the Day 3 Lynch likely goes to Ro assuming Tag doesn't kill him. That makes sense in my mind, even if it's a bit fried if you will. This is not retroactive, just a reaffirmation of my previous post putting Shadow on my list.
If you really want to lynch an unknown factor, Kill that bastard Coolpool. I'm in the ballpark that we're not giving him enough credit. Least i'm opening my mouth enough for you all to want to shut me up.
Lynch Coolpool.